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Probably world's largest Captagon production facility.
Pablo Escobar is a street dealer compared to these guys.

They were not only flooding the EU and the Middle East with amphetamines, they were also distributed to the radical sectarian militants because it ensured that they did not have the slightest human feeling. Drugs were both a source of funds to buy them and a means to brutalize them.
 
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Probably world's largest Captagon production facility.
Pablo Escobar is a street dealer compared to these guys.
From Wiki:

"Smuggling of Captagon became one of the main sources of income for the Assad regime to help boost the economy during the Syrian Civil War. It was considered to be the world's largest producer of the drug, accounting for about 80% of the global supply, which has been dismantled after anti-Assad forces took control of Damascus. The global market for the drug is worth approximately $57 billion (USD)."

 

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Pentagon Official Speaking to Al Arabiya a couple hours ago: “We will not tolerate Turkiye’s attacks against the SDF again.”

TAF: About 20 minutes ago, an area near Ayn al-Arab was targeted and explosions are being heard in Qamishli at the very moment.

(Blinken will be in Ankara tomorrow)

So the USA doesn't want to tolerate a attack of YPG/PKK?
These sons of bitches want to attack Turkey 100% again and again via a third party.
US Secretary of State Blinken arrived in Ankara for talks with President Erdoğan and Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan. The US delegation was welcomed by the Esenboğa Airport Director General of Protocol of the Ministry . I think the carpets are at the dry cleaners too.

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Claimed deal draft between SDF/KCK and HTS. Machine translated via google lens:

"Draft negotiations between Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham and the Syrian Democratic Forces: Under the auspices of the United States of America, intensive negotiations are taking place between the two parties.

Representatives of the two parties: -1- A representative of the SDF (Badran Jia - Al-Dar Khalil) -2- A representative of the organization (Zaid Al-Attar).

SDF demands from Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham
1- The new government in Damascus recognizes the autonomous administration of northern and eastern Syria.
2 The new government in Damascus helps return Kurdish immigrants in the areas of the Aleppo countryside (Tal Hasil / Tal Arn / Aleppo city / Afrin city and its countryside) Tal Abyad and Ras al-Ain areas.
3 The new government in Damascus mediates to resolve the dispute between the SDF and the Turkish state.
4 The new government pledges to stop the attacks of the Turkish-backed National Army on the areas east of the Euphrates controlled by the SDF.
5- Participation of the SDF in the next government after March 2025. Giving promises to work to include the following in the new constitution for Syria. Writing only the Syrian Republic
6 Constitutional recognition of the Kurdish language as a second language in the country.. Giving the Kurds their cultural and educational rights.
7- The government pledges, after the situation stabilizes, to withdraw the Turkish army from Syrian territory.

Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham's demands from the SDF
1- Recognizing the Syrian government in Damascus and considering the Autonomous Administration part of the Syrian state.
2 Expel all foreign elements (PKK cadres) from Syria.
3- Disengagement from foreign parties and removing Turkey's concerns on this issue...
4 Handing over the Arab areas controlled by the SDF, which are the following: (the eastern part of the Deir Ezzor countryside on the Euphrates River line - the city of Tabqa and the Tabqa Dam - the city of Raqqa and a section of its countryside)
5 Giving the government in Damascus 50% of the resources of the eastern region (oil - agriculture - other natural resources).
6 Releasing all prisoners in the SDF prisons, especially the Arabs in the region.
7- Handing over foreign prisoners from ISIS to the government in Damascus and fully cooperating in this file.
8 Raising the Syrian state flag in all areas of the Autonomous Administration in northern and eastern Syria.
9 Partial supervision by the Syrian government over the crossings with the state of Iraq and Turkey in the areas of the Autonomous Administration.
10- An agreement will be reached on a mechanism for the SDF military forces to be administratively affiliated with the New Syrian Army.

Note: The two parties pledge, in the event of a complete agreement on the issue of fighting the warlords of the factions that refuse to hand over their weapons and join the New Syrian Army."

 
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Claimed deal draft between SDF/KCK and HTS. Machine translated via google lens:

"Draft negotiations between Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham and the Syrian Democratic Forces: Under the auspices of the United States of America, intensive negotiations are taking place between the two parties.

Representatives of the two parties: -1- A representative of the SDF (Badran Jia - Al-Dar Khalil) -2- A representative of the organization (Zaid Al-Attar).

SDF demands from Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham
1- The new government in Damascus recognizes the autonomous administration of northern and eastern Syria.
2 The new government in Damascus helps return Kurdish immigrants in the areas of the Aleppo countryside (Tal Hasil / Tal Arn / Aleppo city / Afrin city and its countryside) Tal Abyad and Ras al-Ain areas.
3 The new government in Damascus mediates to resolve the dispute between the SDF and the Turkish state.
4 The new government pledges to stop the attacks of the Turkish-backed National Army on the areas east of the Euphrates controlled by the SDF.
5- Participation of the SDF in the next government after March 2025. Giving promises to work to include the following in the new constitution for Syria: Writing only
6 the Syrian Republic Constitutional recognition of the Kurdish language as a second language in the country.. Giving the Kurds their cultural and educational rights. 7- The government pledges, after the situation stabilizes, to withdraw the Turkish army from Syrian territory.

Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham's demands from the SDF
1- Recognizing the Syrian government in Damascus and considering the Autonomous Administration part of the Syrian state.
2 Expel all foreign elements (PKK cadres) from Syria.
3- Disengagement from foreign parties and removing Turkey's concerns on this issue...
4 Handing over the Arab areas controlled by the SDF, which are the following: (the eastern part of the Deir Ezzor countryside on the Euphrates River line - the city of Tabqa and the Tabqa Dam - the city of Raqqa and a section of its countryside)
5 Giving the government in Damascus 50% of the resources of the eastern region (oil - agriculture - other natural resources).
6 Releasing all prisoners in the SDF prisons, especially the Arabs in the region.
7- Handing over foreign prisoners from ISIS to the government in Damascus and fully cooperating in this file.
8 Raising the Syrian state flag in all areas of the Autonomous Administration in northern and eastern Syria.
9 Partial supervision by the Syrian government over the crossings with the state of Iraq and Turkey in the areas of the Autonomous Administration.
10- An agreement will be reached on a mechanism for the SDF military forces to be administratively affiliated with the New Syrian Army.

Note: The two parties pledge, in the event of a complete agreement on the issue of fighting the warlords of the factions that refuse to hand over their weapons and join the New Syrian Army."

Well if this is the case game over for them.
 

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Claimed deal draft between SDF/KCK and HTS.

"Draft negotiations between Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham and the Syrian Democratic Forces: Under the auspices of the United States of America, intensive negotiations are taking place between the two parties.

Representatives of the two parties: -1- A representative of the SDF (Badran Jia - Al-Dar Khalil) -2- A representative of the organization (Zaid Al-Attar).

SDF demands from Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham
1- The new government in Damascus recognizes the autonomous administration of northern and eastern Syria.
2 The new government in Damascus helps return Kurdish immigrants in the areas of the Aleppo countryside (Tal Hasil / Tal Arn / Aleppo city / Afrin city and its countryside) Tal Abyad and Ras al-Ain areas.
3 The new government in Damascus mediates to resolve the dispute between the SDF and the Turkish state.
4 The new government pledges to stop the attacks of the Turkish-backed National Army on the areas east of the Euphrates controlled by the SDF.
5- Participation of the SDF in the next government after March 2025. Giving promises to work to include the following in the new constitution for Syria: Writing only
6 the Syrian Republic Constitutional recognition of the Kurdish language as a second language in the country.. Giving the Kurds their cultural and educational rights. 7- The government pledges, after the situation stabilizes, to withdraw the Turkish army from Syrian territory.

Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham's demands from the SDF
1- Recognizing the Syrian government in Damascus and considering the Autonomous Administration part of the Syrian state.
2 Expel all foreign elements (PKK cadres) from Syria.
3- Disengagement from foreign parties and removing Turkey's concerns on this issue...
4 Handing over the Arab areas controlled by the SDF, which are the following: (the eastern part of the Deir Ezzor countryside on the Euphrates River line - the city of Tabqa and the Tabqa Dam - the city of Raqqa and a section of its countryside)
5 Giving the government in Damascus 50% of the resources of the eastern region (oil - agriculture - other natural resources).
6 Releasing all prisoners in the SDF prisons, especially the Arabs in the region.
7- Handing over foreign prisoners from ISIS to the government in Damascus and fully cooperating in this file.
8 Raising the Syrian state flag in all areas of the Autonomous Administration in northern and eastern Syria.
9 Partial supervision by the Syrian government over the crossings with the state of Iraq and Turkey in the areas of the Autonomous Administration.
10- An agreement will be reached on a mechanism for the SDF military forces to be administratively affiliated with the New Syrian Army.

Note: The two parties pledge, in the event of a complete agreement on the issue of fighting the warlords of the factions that refuse to hand over their weapons and join the New Syrian Army."

This deal is literally the Iraqi kurdistan 2.0
The Americans will divide Syria just like they did with Iraq

This would be treason against the own Syrian people and the Turkish state
If Erdogan allowed such a deal, the he deserves to be immediately sacked from office
If this deal passes through, within the next 20 years, the Turkish state will inevitably divide into two

This deal gives the radical shia PKk radicals who account for nearly 5% of Syrian population not only 30% of Syrian lands but also most of Syrian oil reserves. How is this any different from when the Shia Alawites cult of Assad ruled the country?

Finally, acceptimg the kurdish language as the second official language of Syria when the Kurds doesnt even constitute 15% of the population is just insane since this means that the kurds will SLOWLY BUT SURELY start to culturally deviate from the rest of the region that will end up creating future generation of radicals whom can be easily exploited by outside forces

This deal will be used to give semi legitimacy to a band of thugs whose original place should be in prison and within 2 years they will announce their complete independence. Iam 100% sure of that

Curse the US and their filthy as well as destructive agenda. Sad times are ahead
 
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Claimed deal draft between SDF/KCK and HTS. Machine translated via google lens:

"Draft negotiations between Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham and the Syrian Democratic Forces: Under the auspices of the United States of America, intensive negotiations are taking place between the two parties.

Representatives of the two parties: -1- A representative of the SDF (Badran Jia - Al-Dar Khalil) -2- A representative of the organization (Zaid Al-Attar).

SDF demands from Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham
1- The new government in Damascus recognizes the autonomous administration of northern and eastern Syria.
2 The new government in Damascus helps return Kurdish immigrants in the areas of the Aleppo countryside (Tal Hasil / Tal Arn / Aleppo city / Afrin city and its countryside) Tal Abyad and Ras al-Ain areas.
3 The new government in Damascus mediates to resolve the dispute between the SDF and the Turkish state.
4 The new government pledges to stop the attacks of the Turkish-backed National Army on the areas east of the Euphrates controlled by the SDF.
5- Participation of the SDF in the next government after March 2025. Giving promises to work to include the following in the new constitution for Syria: Writing only
6 the Syrian Republic Constitutional recognition of the Kurdish language as a second language in the country.. Giving the Kurds their cultural and educational rights. 7- The government pledges, after the situation stabilizes, to withdraw the Turkish army from Syrian territory.

Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham's demands from the SDF
1- Recognizing the Syrian government in Damascus and considering the Autonomous Administration part of the Syrian state.
2 Expel all foreign elements (PKK cadres) from Syria.
3- Disengagement from foreign parties and removing Turkey's concerns on this issue...
4 Handing over the Arab areas controlled by the SDF, which are the following: (the eastern part of the Deir Ezzor countryside on the Euphrates River line - the city of Tabqa and the Tabqa Dam - the city of Raqqa and a section of its countryside)
5 Giving the government in Damascus 50% of the resources of the eastern region (oil - agriculture - other natural resources).
6 Releasing all prisoners in the SDF prisons, especially the Arabs in the region.
7- Handing over foreign prisoners from ISIS to the government in Damascus and fully cooperating in this file.
8 Raising the Syrian state flag in all areas of the Autonomous Administration in northern and eastern Syria.
9 Partial supervision by the Syrian government over the crossings with the state of Iraq and Turkey in the areas of the Autonomous Administration.
10- An agreement will be reached on a mechanism for the SDF military forces to be administratively affiliated with the New Syrian Army.

Note: The two parties pledge, in the event of a complete agreement on the issue of fighting the warlords of the factions that refuse to hand over their weapons and join the New Syrian Army."



Things what never will be a deal...

The new government in Damascus mediates to resolve the dispute between the SDF and the Turkish state

:D
 

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Claimed deal draft between SDF/KCK and HTS. Machine translated via google lens:

"Draft negotiations between Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham and the Syrian Democratic Forces: Under the auspices of the United States of America, intensive negotiations are taking place between the two parties.

Representatives of the two parties: -1- A representative of the SDF (Badran Jia - Al-Dar Khalil) -2- A representative of the organization (Zaid Al-Attar).

SDF demands from Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham
1- The new government in Damascus recognizes the autonomous administration of northern and eastern Syria.
2 The new government in Damascus helps return Kurdish immigrants in the areas of the Aleppo countryside (Tal Hasil / Tal Arn / Aleppo city / Afrin city and its countryside) Tal Abyad and Ras al-Ain areas.
3 The new government in Damascus mediates to resolve the dispute between the SDF and the Turkish state.
4 The new government pledges to stop the attacks of the Turkish-backed National Army on the areas east of the Euphrates controlled by the SDF.
5- Participation of the SDF in the next government after March 2025. Giving promises to work to include the following in the new constitution for Syria: Writing only
6 the Syrian Republic Constitutional recognition of the Kurdish language as a second language in the country.. Giving the Kurds their cultural and educational rights. 7- The government pledges, after the situation stabilizes, to withdraw the Turkish army from Syrian territory.

Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham's demands from the SDF
1- Recognizing the Syrian government in Damascus and considering the Autonomous Administration part of the Syrian state.
2 Expel all foreign elements (PKK cadres) from Syria.
3- Disengagement from foreign parties and removing Turkey's concerns on this issue...
4 Handing over the Arab areas controlled by the SDF, which are the following: (the eastern part of the Deir Ezzor countryside on the Euphrates River line - the city of Tabqa and the Tabqa Dam - the city of Raqqa and a section of its countryside)
5 Giving the government in Damascus 50% of the resources of the eastern region (oil - agriculture - other natural resources).
6 Releasing all prisoners in the SDF prisons, especially the Arabs in the region.
7- Handing over foreign prisoners from ISIS to the government in Damascus and fully cooperating in this file.
8 Raising the Syrian state flag in all areas of the Autonomous Administration in northern and eastern Syria.
9 Partial supervision by the Syrian government over the crossings with the state of Iraq and Turkey in the areas of the Autonomous Administration.
10- An agreement will be reached on a mechanism for the SDF military forces to be administratively affiliated with the New Syrian Army.

Note: The two parties pledge, in the event of a complete agreement on the issue of fighting the warlords of the factions that refuse to hand over their weapons and join the New Syrian Army."

I dont think this is true. There is no logo no nothing on this document.
For example SNA's announcements are like this ;

"Ceasefire agreement between the Turkish led SNA and SDF in Manbij and Tishreen dam 1. SDF (MMC) will withdraw safely from Manbij 2. Tishreen dam will be a demilitarised zone and civil servants will run the administration of the dam. 3. Truce starting at 17:00 local time"​

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below one is from HTS ;

The Transitional Government in Syria expresses its gratitude to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Iraq, Jordan, Bahrain, Oman, and Italia for resuming the work of their diplomatic mission in Syria. They also state that Qatar and Türkiye promised to open an embassy in Syria
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This deal is literally the Iraqi kurdistan 2.0
The Americans will divide Syria just like they did with Iraq

This would be treason against the own Syrian people and the Turkish state
If Erdogan allowed such a deal, the he deserves to be immediately sacked from office
If this deal passes through, within the next 20 years, the Turkish state will inevitably divide into two

This deal gives the radical shia PKk radicals who account for nearly 5% of Syrian population not only 30% of Syrian lands but also most of Syrian oil reserves. How is this any different from when the Shia Alawites cult of Assad ruled the country?

Finally, acceptimg the kurdish language as the second official language of Syria when the Kurds doesnt even constitute 15% of the population is just insane since this means that the kurds will SLOWLY BUT SURELY start to culturally deviate from the rest of the region that will end up creating future generation of radicals whom can be easily exploited by outside forces

This deal will be used to give semi legitimacy to a band of thugs whose original place should be in prison and within 2 years they will announce their complete independence. Iam 100% sure of that

Curse the US and their filthy as well as destructive agenda. Sad times are ahead


you should stop cry baby with every tweet you read, we do not now if this is true...:D
 

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Erdoğan made Peace Spring Operation in 2019 much more harder conditions then this. (Political Pressure and Sanctions) I dont think he will just stop here. we learn what is gonna happen in a couple days.
 

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There is an unconfirmed deal circulating the internet between HTS and SDF, the major thing is giving the Syrian Kurds a self-governing state like Iraq's Kurdistan, also dismantling PKK.

I won’t share the drafted deal until it’s official.
 

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You suggest that the Syrians forgive the Russians who bombed them from the air, razed dozens of cities and hundreds of villages, killed 100 thousand people, and made 10 million Syrians refugees. This is a great idea. I am also in favor of it. But it is unlikely that the Russians will give him a decent price. The Russians have been doing heavy military propaganda for 25 years and they think very differently. They want to restore the Russian empire. This means endless wars. They killed countless people in Chechnya for 10 years starting in 2004. The world fell silent. They attacked Georgia in 2008 and occupied its 2 regions - Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Small and weak Georgia could not give a decent response to the invaders on the battlefield, while the international community remained a spectator. International laws were at the feet of Russian soldiers. Encouraged by impunity, the Russians invaded Ukraine's Crimea after 6 years. Again, the same thing happened - no force was found to stop the invaders. 8 years later, Russia invaded Ukraine with 200,000 soldiers with impunity and has been killing people and destroying cities there for 3 years.
Are you proposing that Georgia and Ukraine forgive the Russians and surrender and give their lands to Russia? Doesn't this whet the appetite of Russian militarists? After all, they have openly declared that they will occupy the lands of all neighboring countries and restore the Russian Empire. It's not just about the neighbors, they want to take over all of Eastern Europe, right up to Croatia and East Germany. In addition, the Russians claim the lands of 3 Baltic countries, 5 countries of the South Caucasus and Central Asia.
Have you read the November 2021 ultimatum officially announced by Moscow to NATO? If you haven't read it, find it, read it, and then answer me: "Do you still insist on your desire for peace?".
emotions always make everything not propotional. you can read my statement not only for russian case, its in general, for russian which we can assure after these will be vanish fron syrian land, with all of its influences.

Indonesian already faces all of this stituations regarding dutch colonialism, japan occupations, with all tragedy in it. we also had trouble for forgiving, for those two countries have done, almost 30 years we spent to make those forgiveness feeling came and becoming our new ways to create relation with those countries.

But you should remember, what happen in syria its the exacly happen in indonesia before, Assad = Soeharto in indonesia. the hard think that indonesian must face not struggle for independence but what happen in end of 90ties, our countries almost broke in to pieces, become second balkan tragedy. But with the consideration that forgiving is the best way to move forward. we can solve a very hard horizontal conflict between ethnic, etc, even we can solve aceh case that haunting us for over 35 years. now you can see what happen to Indonesia, in 20 years we comeback, becoming one of 20 biggest economy in the world with all of problems in it. can focus to develop our own country. I 100 % aggree with jolani and erdogan, that syria belong to syrian people, and must solve all of his problems by syrian people only, that include all of the tribes in it. weapons do not solve problems.
 

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you should stop cry baby with every tweet you read, we do not now if this is true...:D
Anything is possible when the US is involved

How many nations were divided, thrown into decades of chaos and blood just because of America?
Just look at Iraq's autonomous kurdistan region...... at first, they just had economic/ruling autonomy but suddenly they declared nearly complete autonomy with an actual kurdish army at their disposal

The current situation is fluid with the US clearly not budging on the PKK issue and the sad thing is that if the US went completely serious, then Turkey wouldnt stand a chance and that is why the PKK/YPG/SDF are stalling for time..... they are waiting for an opportunity to flip the table by finding a reason to convince the US to go ALL IN for the YPG


This game has been played numerous times with many nations; no wonder I cry when I see such news. Moreover, just look at the Blinken's statements:


Why is he acting as if the radical Syrian Shia kurds are like 60% of the population when they arent even 5% of the total population? Hell, majority of kurds in both Syria and Turkey are Sunni but the Sunni kurds of Syria escaped to Turkey when the terrorist YPG took control

What the US wants is an Assad-like state in Syria but more US-aligned rather than Iran&Russia aligned especially when most of the oil reserves are in the territory held by the YPG


And here we go.....They are clearly warning Turkey

Translation:
US warplanes hit two bridges on the Euphrates River used to enter Deir ez-Zor city
 
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