Live Conflict Syria After the Civil War

[Mis_TR_Like]

So should the Syrians change their customs to please the shitty Europeans? It seems that manners have changed quite a lot these days particularly due to the fact that the Germans are the ones who are visiting Syrian lands yet have the audacity to question their beliefs

Moreover, joulani by no means insulted her, while its true that he didnt shake her hands due to his beliefs, he did provide a courteous bow as a form of respect

Fq the West along with their hypocrisy and arrogance

The fact that she even criticised such a normal deed is a sign that she came to try and screw things over and not fix it

You're not looking at the big picture.

This isn't about something as small as a handshake. It's about Syria's trajectory, what type of laws will be in place in 5 years, with what sort of idealogy will the nation be ruled?

It's not that any of this actually matters. And also, the west doesn't give a shit about democracy. It's all about the image which is portrayed to the world.

If Syria goes full Islamist, it will get pulverized by Israel just like much of Palestine has. Why? Because it can easily convince policymakers in the west that it has the right to combat "Islamic extremism".

In case you haven't realized, they have been pushing non-stop propaganda about how PKK/YPG are peace loving, feminst freedom fighters for years. And that anyone who opposes them are Islamic radicals. If the administration in Damascus actually goes radical, then Israel will bomb their way to the north, and you can bet that the current Turkish government isn't going to stop them, especially with the new peace process starting with PKK.

This is a really dangerous situation and I'm afraid that Erdogan will once again say that he has "been tricked".

The only way to secure our borders is to completely eliminate PKK presence in Syria. TSK could do this in less than a month. But the government is holding it back.

 

[Ahlatshah]

As a man who is from eastern of Turkiye as you understand my Avatar name, when I look at the comments as of lately, I think I need to write something and I believe situation is not fully understood

PKK/YPG is cornered, I strongly believe that. Militarily, they cant strike targets anymore in our country, all they can do is kill civilians which is morally unacceptable in anywhere. Politically, they have no majority in Syria, Turkiye or Iraq. When look to map where majorıty of Kurds live (mostly yellow color) and do not assume majority of them support PKK. Majority of Kurds dont blindly support them even in here, if they were we would have a civil war. Yes, even those who vote for DEM, cannot be considered collectively as PKK sempatizer."Politics of Identity" is something else. I know so many people who vote for DEM, have no business about these terrorists. If you ask them why, they will answer you "when I dont, I feel I turn my back to my roots".

I dont believe PKK lay down their arms, excuse my language but they are just bunch of whores to clients with highest bidders. So, without effective diplomacy, they most likely not. We are not good at that but if there is an overall pressure in world stage against them, who knows. At the end the of the day, it was the USA who gave the Apo to us, fearing a conflict between us and Greeks. If there is a possibilty, even if 1 percent, the possibilty of laying the arms down must be fully forced, for two reasons:

1. They may actually accept to disarm, which would be very good thing and no need to clarify. Everything will be so much better and permanent wtihout arms. Also there may be a possibility inside them who is still loyal to Apo, or simply an exit point and give reason for them to so called "honorable disarmament",

2. If they dont lay down their arms, the operation immediately become justified. In a possible intervention, a lot of blood will be spilled. They will be finished in the end but we will lose some of our soldiers too unfortunately. It is important and (frankly) neccessary for any government be able to say that "we tried to avoid bloodshed, even send for Apo but there it is" to their people and to the world.

With or without bloodshet, after so many lives lost, I believe we have come to the end of PKK/YPG.I know Apo in National Assembly is a step too far, there was no need and I cant agree and accept that. Actually, I cant agree as a citizen to talk with them altogether, my childhood memory is full of PKK oppression and massacres. But that is humble me, I have every luxury to say that for I dont run the government or fight in Syria. Yet, I understand the government.

And I am praying to the efforts of prevent blood, works. If not, I am praying to Allah to protect our Soldiers

Amin

 

[CAN_TR]

You have to ask yourself can you live side by side with vermins that killed your citizen not matter if children, women or elders, soldiers, law enforcment in the most cruel coward way?

Don't get me wrong even if they lay down weapons, they never shall be allowed to return to Türkiye, all those listed terrorists have to DIE, no pardons, no excuses, no mercy.

 

[Ahlatshah]

You have to ask yourself can you live side by side with vermins that killed your citizen not matter if children, women or elders, soldiers, law enforcment in the most cruel coward way?

Don't get me wrong even if they lay down weapons, they never shall be allowed to return to Türkiye, all those listed terrorists have to DIE, no pardons, no excuses, no mercy.

There is no question about that. It can not be a so called "peace process", there is nothing about it what i wrote. They will disarm or die, so simple. Those who disarm (the leaders and commit terror crime against us) may f.ck off to the otherside of the world Africa, S. America name it.

 

[Oublious]

Even if julani would become a atheist, lgbt-friendly leader, he would still be a brown arab in the eyes of the west. Far-right parties in the west hold the same conservative views as islamists in muslim countries, yet that doesnt change their racist or straight up fascist views towards them.

Exactly, Syrian revolution was something nobody did expected. They are not and never willing to accept it, so some pigs from europe came to Syria and asked if they going to sell alcohol, imagine you lost millons people and suffered. You are trying to survive and white people ask you that most important thing.

Believe me, if Saraaj turns into a gay or transeksuel, non bionair shit still they would never accept it. You will see they will put that ambargo on Syria.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1875664799931232672

SNA moving towards Meskene and it's being told that PKK is withdrawing from these places

 

[contricusc]

What is wrong with not shaking her hand. The guy has his own belief and I believe that he is entitled to follow his own beliefs as long as it doesnt demean or harm the other party.

Moreover, the Germans are the bloody guests; in other words, manners dictate that they follow the rules and traditions of the hosting nation and not have the audacity to criticise their host's culture and beliefs.

I have seen the video of the meeting, and even I, as a European, I feel that the German minister was the unprofessional character. She was dressed as if she was going to the minimarket to buy some groceries, despite the fact that all the other people there were dressed like state officials.

This is the big problem of women in politics in the West. They want the rights and positions of men but without the obligations. They think that dress codes are not for them, and do not feel ashamed to be the only person unproperly dressed in a room with tens of other people. Yet they accuse people of misogyny when they dismiss them as unworthy of respect.

As a diplomat, she should at least know how to dress in an official trip, and she should also be knowledgeable of the cultural specific of the host country.

Finally, Joulani by no means demeaned her nor it is an act of regression. The guy clearly gave a respectable and courteous bow in place of the handshake. Whats wrong with that?

He was more than respectful. He was clearly much more respectful than she was. She showed a total lack of respect for her hosts by coming dressed casually at a meeting with a country leader.

In diplomacy, the acceptable dress codes are either the classic black or dark grey suit (the Western / international standard for business, politics, official meetings), or a traditional costume that is used by the country’s officials (In the case of countries that still have traditional dress styles at the highest levels).

But to be dressed casually with white jeans and high heels is ridiculous, unprofessional and disrespectful. Imagine if a male top diplomat showed up in jeans to a high level meeting. Everyone would have been up in flames asking for his resignation.

Why is it always the non-Westerners who always have to change their culture and traditions to fit the Western mentality as if they were Gods or something

Actually it is not. It is normal when two cultures meet in official circumstances for both of them to show respect to the other. Jolani was clearly respectful to his guest’s culture. It was actually the German minister who was disrespectful for her own culture as well, as she was not dressed properly even by German standards.

Jolani looked like a Western official. She looked like a woman walking her dog in the park.

 

[Saithan]

Türkiye, Jordan agree on a road map to help Syria - Türkiye News

Jordan’s Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi, accompanied by a high-level delegation, will pay a visit to Türkiye on Monday, a Turkish Foreign Ministry statement said.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

I have seen several tweets bout Israel moving around and gaining control over fresh water lakes in southern Syria, and some of those fresh water are also supplying Jordan.

I don't know if it's true, but I was wondering why Jordan wasn't doing anything to protect the fresh water from an invading army.

 

[GoatsMilk]

You're not looking at the big picture.

This isn't about something as small as a handshake. It's about Syria's trajectory, what type of laws will be in place in 5 years, with what sort of idealogy will the nation be ruled?

It's not that any of this actually matters. And also, the west doesn't give a shit about democracy. It's all about the image which is portrayed to the world.

If Syria goes full Islamist, it will get pulverized by Israel just like much of Palestine has. Why? Because it can easily convince policymakers in the west that it has the right to combat "Islamic extremism".

In case you haven't realized, they have been pushing non-stop propaganda about how PKK/YPG are peace loving, feminst freedom fighters for years. And that anyone who opposes them are Islamic radicals. If the administration in Damascus actually goes radical, then Israel will bomb their way to the north, and you can bet that the current Turkish government isn't going to stop them, especially with the new peace process starting with PKK.

This is a really dangerous situation and I'm afraid that Erdogan will once again say that he has "been tricked".

The only way to secure our borders is to completely eliminate PKK presence in Syria. TSK could do this in less than a month. But the government is holding it back.

The western world wants the "islamist" mindset to take over the Muslim peoples of the world. The Islamist mindset always descends into quarrels and infighting. It produces nothing and cannot compete with a world that's all about industry, science, entrepreneurship etc. All they end up doing with their lives is talking about religion and nothing more.

But more importantly its used to delegitimise the Muslims, then comes the dehumanisation and after that the annihilation of them. Since erdogan its become very easy to delegitimise Turkiye in the westerners eyes, so much so that the idea of supporting PKK terrorists against NATO ally Turkiye is supported by many people in the west. Since the US/EU are your rivals in the region working day and night to bury the Muslims of the region, its important that the nations of region play the game as best as they can. Don't make it easy for these instigators to have their way.

Islamists today have become the new British wahhabists. So back then the wahhabists were used against the Ottomans and accused the Ottoman Turks of not being "true" Muslims as a justification for Muslims to kill Muslims of the Caliphate. Today those islamists attack everything "secular" anything that is said to resemble the west.

In England we have many dawahganists, many islamist media entities and they are prime examples of this agenda. They are given great platforms, their social media presence is promoted. The western world is cultivating the perception that muslims are trying to takeover and are a threat to western civilisation. This is their modus operando, they create a threat that doesn't exist in order that they can move in and destroy that threat. Just like the WMD's of saddam.

 

[Tabmachine]

The western world wants the "islamist" mindset to take over the Muslim peoples of the world. The Islamist mindset always descends into quarrels and infighting. It produces nothing and cannot compete with a world that's all about industry, science, entrepreneurship etc. All they end up doing with their lives is talking about religion and nothing more.

But more importantly its used to delegitimise the Muslims, then comes the dehumanisation and after that the annihilation of them. Since erdogan its become very easy to delegitimise Turkiye in the westerners eyes, so much so that the idea of supporting PKK terrorists against NATO ally Turkiye is supported by many people in the west. Since the US/EU are your rivals in the region working day and night to bury the Muslims of the region, its important that the nations of region play the game as best as they can. Don't make it easy for these instigators to have their way.

Islamists today have become the new British wahhabists. So back then the wahhabists were used against the Ottomans and accused the Ottoman Turks of not being "true" Muslims as a justification for Muslims to kill Muslims of the Caliphate. Today those islamists attack everything "secular" anything that is said to resemble the west.

In England we have many dawahganists, many islamist media entities and they are prime examples of this agenda. They are given great platforms, their social media presence is promoted. The western world is cultivating the perception that muslims are trying to takeover and are a threat to western civilisation. This is their modus operando, they create a threat that doesn't exist in order that they can move in and destroy that threat. Just like the WMD's of saddam.

reminds me of this talk by Shaykh Ahmed Kuftaro, former Grand Mufti of Syria, and a Naqshbandi:

 

[Barry]

AKP keeps talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and talking.

 

[Scott Summers]

Nagel Committee warns Israel must prepare for potential war with Turkey | The Jerusalem Post

The committee, established by the government, warns that Turkey’s ambitions to restore its Ottoman-era influence could lead to heightened tensions with Israel, possibly escalating into conflict.

m.jpost.com

Israeli internal dynamics preparing the masses for a potential war with Turkey.

 

[Huelague]

Nagel Committee warns Israel must prepare for potential war with Turkey | The Jerusalem Post

The committee, established by the government, warns that Turkey’s ambitions to restore its Ottoman-era influence could lead to heightened tensions with Israel, possibly escalating into conflict.

m.jpost.com

Israeli internal dynamics preparing the masses for a potential war with Turkey.

No one wants to fight Turkiye. But many wants to fights Israel.

 

[Lool]

Nagel Committee warns Israel must prepare for potential war with Turkey | The Jerusalem Post

The committee, established by the government, warns that Turkey’s ambitions to restore its Ottoman-era influence could lead to heightened tensions with Israel, possibly escalating into conflict.

m.jpost.com

Israeli internal dynamics preparing the masses for a potential war with Turkey.

I have been saying that for years in this forum
The more Turkey grows in terms of military strength, industrial strength, and foreign policy/geopolitical strength, the more Israel will be alarmed about Turkey and will try to bring it down

The main reason why none of the West thought about excessively countering Turkey within the last decade is because they thought that Turkey will end up like other Med Eastern nations in which they fail to grow their own products or at least end up with some inferior ones compared to the West like Iran is. However, Turkey betrayed all expectations and are growing in all fields.

For Israel this is a national security threat and the Turks must be brought down sooner or later since the only reason Israel is alive in this region is due to its technological superiority and their control over the Western nations but with the emergence of Turkey that Israel has no control over, Israel will be alarmed when Turkey sells TF-Kaan, advanced Hisar AD systems, Drones like TB2s and Ankas to nations like Egypt, Syria, and Libya for example

What Israel wants is a strong Israel surrounded by weaker nations in terms of military strength, technology, and influence over the West. Turkey breaks the first 2 and probably the 2 most important points for Israel

 

[GoatsMilk]

USA and Russia were willing to risk war against Turkiye to protect the PKK, when it comes to Isreal should they ever attack Turkiye and Turkiye responds expect a crusader coalition with all the usual suspects to unite against Turkiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876274383905538293

Keep in mind the PKK project is primarly aimed to help isreal, its second objective is to balkanise the region and make it easier to dominate for the americans and others.

While the media propergandises day and night about Turks killing Kurds, the reality is the PKK project is all about killing Turks in the long run. Its being built by anglo-saxon world with the express intent to ultimatly be used to kill Turks. Just like Isreal exists today to primarily kill Muslims.

When Turks hear promotion of the PKK media in the entire western world, understand what your hearing and seeing is basically "vocal masking" for the support in murdering the Turkish people. Lets not suger coat it, the PKK project is entirely about murdering the Turkish people.

Its also interesting each time we hear some outsider nation making statements either directly or indirectly that "threatens" Turkiye, a message about our ever expanding capabilities is always released by erdogan.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876540269308321938

 

[Lool]

The israeli media is increasingly preparing its civilians for a new front to be opened against Turkey in Syria and Cyprus

From what I understand, there is a desire within the Israeli political circles to keep the land it annexed from Syria as part of their Greater Israel bullshit in addition to the fact that the lands it annexed are comprised of fertile lands, strategic heights overlooking both Jordan and Syria and controlling clean water sources in a nation (Israel) that lacks water sources

This spat of words probably began because Israel isnt happy with the fact that Erdogan, last week, said that he intends to re-arm Syria with top grade weaponry such as AD systems, EW systems, Ships, Trainer jets and drones in the long run.

In addition to that, Erdogan said that the PKK has only 2 paths; one is to disband and the other is to get destroyed

This war of words, IMO, is some sort of indirect threat against Turkey to let Israel keep the land it annexed and ensure that Syria remains divided and keep killing themselves since a strong and united Syria is a direct threat to Israel since the Israelis know that they are stealing Syrian lands and one day the Syrians will ask for it to be given back


Translation:
NEW — Israeli media, Makor Rishon:
“It is time to take Erdogan seriously.”
“Perhaps ‘Hagia Sophia Yesterday, Umayyad Today, Aksa Tomorrow’ is not just a slogan. Perhaps it is an action plan.”
“In 2018, this seemed a distant possibility, even ridiculous. But in 2025, Turkey has a military presence in Syria and Libya, a drone base in Cyprus, and they want to break the siege of Gaza.”
“Perhaps it is time to recalculate our direction.”

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876605989807394971

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876595343070224873

Translation:
Senior Israeli official: The international community should put pressure on Turkey to stop its attack on Kurds in Syria.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876586727604986193

 

[Scott Summers]

It’s all written for more than 1000 years with different names, the Malhama, the Armageddon, Ragnarok etc.

All the roads and events in the Middle East are leading to the War for Jerusalem.

If you read the scriptures, you see different locations like the Umayyad Mosque (still there!), and the city of Lod (stil there!) and Istanbul (still there!) etc.

But i never believed that we Turks would be the main characters in World War 3.

Albert Pike didnt wrote that letter to Guiseppe Mazzini for nothing. We will fight Israel.

 

[Azareen]

Though the US and it's western allies are shedding crocodile tears for Kurds separate autonomous region, hoping that they can divide Syria and protect Isreal, by making all it's neighbours weak, divided, engaged in civil war internally, and maintain their influence too against Russia and Iran, and benefit from the resources of the land, they will never go as far as to antagonising Turkie and driving it away towards Russia and Iran, china. With Russia, China, Iran, Turkey together, the west would become weak and lose, their authority, power, influence to control or manipulate countries in middle east, they may probably have to retreat from every country that thet are holding bases now, as countries realise that their power is wading and they are mere paper tigers now, Asian countries may be except Japan and Taiwan, Africa, and middle east together, the west would lose all its hegemony, heroism of bribing the ruling elites, using human rights violation, equal rights, authoritarian rule, dictatorship to change regimes, in the pretext of providing security, selling their weapons looting their resources etc., so if any one is believing that US would kill Turks to defend Rojava is living in fools paradise, US is well known for ditching states and groups when they realise that they are of no use any more to serve their purpose, so the SDF too may learn this lesson soon.

 

[GoatsMilk]

It’s all written for more than 1000 years with different names, the Malhama, the Armageddon, Ragnarok etc.

All the roads and events in the Middle East are leading to the War for Jerusalem.

If you read the scriptures, you see different locations like the Umayyad Mosque (still there!), and the city of Lod (stil there!) and Istanbul (still there!) etc.

But i never believed that we Turks would be the main characters in World War 3.

Albert Pike didnt wrote that letter to Guiseppe Mazzini for nothing. We will fight Israel.

We got be to careful, the various enemies will use what we believe against us. We must not get drawn into the unseen world irrationally, these actors who know in and out what we believe will use it against us. These people do not believe in the end of the world, they operate according to their beliefs which is secular humanism, that in time man conquering the sciences and with it nature itself that man himself will become god.

They worship lucifer/Satan metaphorically. They believe that Adam and Eve were kept in a state of ignorance in the garden of Eden. No technology, no science, no civilisation. It was lucifer that opened the mind of eve and thus set the human race free. Civilisation, technology, progression from their perspective is all "Satanism". Satan to them represents the intellect and technological progression. The God of the Torah, Bible and Quran to them is in essence evil, he held man back, he kept man in a state of ignorance. Of course this is all metaphorically, but if we understand what they believe it becomes easier to understand why these religions are all under attack.

Our aim is create our own destiny, not to be drawn into their agenda. When we start talking about end times and making everything about Jerusalem we have been drawn into their agenda.

The Jewish people are not our enemy, its the men and women who subscribe to this global agenda. What they have always called "the new world order". These people are our real enemy.

Let me add something else, believing its the "end times" is self defeatist. It takes the agency away from the Muslims, it makes them think what's happening has to happen this way and since its the end times why plan for the next 100 years. Even if the end times were coming next week, we must live and act like the end times will never be seen so that we don't get caught out. Our enemies who plan to colonise the stars do not behave like the end times are near. They are always looking to develop and progress forward.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876647930662117714

SNA has finally made some progress and gained control over some villages near the tisrin damm