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[IC3M@N FX]

They are using Arabs again.

Unbelievable how they are not even brave enough to use their own people.

Even more frightening is that these Arabs don't even have the self-esteem to avoid being hired. I'm not a racist, but I'm starting to get the feeling that Arabs will immediately abandon or partially betray their country at the slightest warlike pressure.
Look at Turkey for comparison, it has been attacked by 5-6 different countries. We were neither conquered nor did the citizens leave the country during the war. This shows me that we not only have a sense of self-worth and national pride, but also an identity.

 

[Asena_great]

To pr

To prove exatly what? Grand Orient in the principle is Atheist, isn’t it? Shall I look around, where Mitterand in his letter to London Scotish Rites Lodge , calls them to abandone the religion and embrace " Hunanism". He was twice Grand Master.
And apart form the first couple degrees, the majority of Scotish Rites are Atheists, maybe some time ago, they weren't. Now days to be religious is just a necessary formality.
Since it is is disgusting ,sleazy organisation it is in many cases hard to say who believes what exactly. But what is definite, it is full of sleazy mumbo jumbo , narcissism, cunning , pretentiousness etc.
Sometimes it is even hard to say who believes what exactly.
Stalin for instance - " The real truth belongs only to God" . But there are plenty more of his atheistic quotes. By the way , I don't think that he was a mason. So when I hear when the pseudo right wing starts to talk against Communism and starts from Stalin, I know the score.
So , definitely the most dangerous and the strongest echelon of these charlatans, called Grand Orient are atheists. They claim it by themselves.
I mean, let's ask what Spinoza or Reaosssau beloved? Something or nothing?
In my opinion in nothing really

Where is my source ?? bring me the source so i could study it what you are doing is making even more claim which sounds like cami dedikodusu ( mosque gossips ) which is common among Islamist. their paragraphs are always starts with it is said or it is believed or it is known or i heard that x,y,z ... etc so don't write me here without a source and dont interpret sentences to make a narrative that you want. GIVE ME A CRYSTAL CLEAR PROOF

 

[mehmed beg]

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Where is my source ?? bring me the source so i could study it what you are doing is making even more claim which sounds like cami dedikodusu ( mosque gossips ) which is common among Islamist. their paragraphs are always starts with it is said or it is believed or it is known or i heard that x,y,z ... etc so don't write me here without a source and dont interpret sentences to make a narrative that you want. GIVE ME A CRYSTAL

I am

Where is my source ?? bring me the source so i could study it what you are doing is making even more claim which sounds like cami dedikodusu ( mosque gossips ) which is common among Islamist. their paragraphs are always starts with it is said or it is believed or it is known or i heard that x,y,z ... etc so don't write me here without a source and dont interpret sentences to make a narrative that you want. GIVE ME A CRYSTAL CLEAR PROOF

I am not planning nor I won't to lead you through Russian Archives. Russia was your colonial power so , carry on and find. As of the fact that Grand Orient is completely atheist , well a few days ago the other gentleman mentioned the same, I don't recall that you asked him for the references, did you?
As of the mosque rumours , well it is much better then the shilling for the ideas of the people who sent you to Gulags.
Thing is what is the point to discuss with you? You yourself pretend that every moment of Turkish history during Islam is not something to to commend. That's the irrational and biased view as is 90% of your posts.

 

[Gary]

Thing is what is the point to discuss with you? You yourself pretend that every moment of Turkish history during Islam is not something to to commend. That's the irrational and biased view as is 90% of your posts.

His entire effort here is to discredit Islam, LMAO. Life must be suck for him knowing the religion he really hates the most is the majority religion of the people he claim to represent and on its way to become the biggest religion somewhere in this century.

 

[mehmed beg]

His entire effort here is to discredit Islam, LMAO. Life must i be suck for him knowing the religion he really hates the most is the majority religion of the people he claim to represent and on its way to become the biggest religion somewhere in this century.

It is not just that , what truly irritates me are few things.
How someone can call himself a nationalist if he disrespects the great deal of his own history? Someone can object to the certain things but every normal person, rationally at least pay some respect to his history.
Kemalist? Not even that, let me not complicate , Fevzi Cakmak or Nuri Kiligil or many for that matter would put a bullet in his head for what he says.
Imagine the person who despise the great deal of his countryman then , he rushes to defend even some undefedeble things that foreign people do???
Atheist? I was born in a Communist country and I know what's the classic atheism . Commies were dealing with religion as with anything else, in ideological fashion. Not him . The new kind I guess?
Pseudo right? What's that? Making the ideology based and debating with lgbtq?
So at the end of the day, it is only the hate toward thing which is the least threat to him? I don't see even any sort of opinion here. Just the most primitive hate. I do not like Serbs but even them, I don't look with such rage full hate?
Enver Pasha who was in his country ( Turkmenistan) would hang him.
Imagine shilling for people who sent his Forfathers to Gulags are people who he admires????? And people who defend them he hates ?? Than come and claim patriotism ???? And some kind of right wing? I am 56 , I have never thought that i would live to see the day when such idiotism would be the normal daily occurance.
I described this as Jacobin Cult.

 

[Ecderha]

"

They are using Arabs again.

Unbelievable how they are not even brave enough to use their own people.

"brave enough to use their own people."!?
Bad idea.Bad direction.When own Failed and captured then only option which you will have is to accept other side proposal in order to get you guy back. This mean bitter things to swallow

1.So if you are Clever you will always use other people. Not own (arabs, wests...etc.).
2. Use always couple of them to execute or provide information for the same target. You can take this information from those sources and compare to refine any mislead information or missing things.
3.If you lose some of them then you are not bond or you may not care for them. They were puppeds and not own people so anything which may lead to isreal may be true or may be not.


You are on safe and use own people inside you Country
Other thing to use own people if and only if Mission is very very important and you take in to account if fail that you have to accept consequences


Last thing which you should already DO as strategic move is that :
If you know that there is specific enemy intelligence which is doing systematically Highly activities (visible damage) in you Country. For example they already creating Big organized groups which taking control partially or fully in places like politicians, military, local or regional people which have the power to order what to be happening etc.)

Than you Security Intelligent Agency MUST form up special teams which only FOCUS and Specially working against this specific enemy.


I am staring to hate Auto correction which do add other words

 

[GoatsMilk]

To pr

To prove exatly what? Grand Orient in the principle is Atheist, isn’t it? Shall I look around, where Mitterand in his letter to London Scotish Rites Lodge , calls them to abandone the religion and embrace " Hunanism". He was twice Grand Master.
And apart form the first couple degrees, the majority of Scotish Rites are Atheists, maybe some time ago, they weren't. Now days to be religious is just a necessary formality.
Since it is is disgusting ,sleazy organisation it is in many cases hard to say who believes what exactly. But what is definite, it is full of sleazy mumbo jumbo , narcissism, cunning , pretentiousness etc.
Sometimes it is even hard to say who believes what exactly.
Stalin for instance - " The real truth belongs only to God" . But there are plenty more of his atheistic quotes. By the way , I don't think that he was a mason. So when I hear when the pseudo right wing starts to talk against Communism and starts from Stalin, I know the score.
So , definitely the most dangerous and the strongest echelon of these charlatans, called Grand Orient are atheists. They claim it by themselves.
I mean, let's ask what Spinoza or Reaosssau beloved? Something or nothing?
In my opinion in nothing really

Just out of interest are you aware of the schism between Grand Lodge masonry and Grand Orient masonry?

This is where the confusion comes in with people who think Masons believe in a creator while others do not.

Grand Orient/French freemasonry was the side that started the athiest secular humanist approach.

"Schism with the United Grand Lodge of England

In 1877, at the instigation of the Protestant pastor Frédéric Desmons, it allowed those who had no belief in a supreme being to be admitted.[24] The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) and related Lodges regarded belief in the Supreme Being as a Masonic Landmark.

It was this decision that has been the root cause of the schism between the Grand Orient (and those lodges that followed it), and the rest of Freemasonry. It is a schism in Freemasonry which continues to this day. It is argued that the definition is ambiguous, that Anderson's Landmarks are his own collection and interpretation of the historical landmarks, and that changes in both interpretation and practice have occurred before and since.

The decision was not universally approved in France. By 1894 many lodges had split off in protest and formed the Grande Loge de France (GLdF)[25] In 1910, a few members of the Grand Orient, wishing to re-introduce the concept of God the Great Architect, brought back the Rectified Scottish Rite from Switzerland. In the resulting friction with the national body, they amalgamated with the English lodge of Bordeaux to produce, in 1913, a third grand lodge, la Grande Loge Nationale Indépendante et Régulière pour la France et les Colonies françaises, now the Grande Loge Nationale Française.[26]"

While Grand Lodge/British/Anglo-Saxon controlled masonry demands a belief in a supreme being in which albert pike in morals and dogma refers to as Lucifer, Grand Orient French/Templar masonry believes that man once conquering nature will elevate to the position of Godhood.

Albert pike in his book basically says that all masons below 30 degrees are intentionally mislead as to who the "grand architect is" only once a mason hits the 30th degree is he told the truth as to who he has been worshipping in the lodge. Its not Allah, Jesus or Budda, its Lucifer.

 

[mehmed beg]

I

Just out of interest are you aware of the schism between Grand Lodge masonry and Grand Orient masonry?

This is where the confusion comes in with people who think Masons believe in a creator while others do not.

Grand Orient/French freemasonry was the side that started the athiest secular humanist approach.

"Schism with the United Grand Lodge of England

In 1877, at the instigation of the Protestant pastor Frédéric Desmons, it allowed those who had no belief in a supreme being to be admitted.[24] The United Grand Lodge of England (UGLE) and related Lodges regarded belief in the Supreme Being as a Masonic Landmark.

It was this decision that has been the root cause of the schism between the Grand Orient (and those lodges that followed it), and the rest of Freemasonry. It is a schism in Freemasonry which continues to this day. It is argued that the definition is ambiguous, that Anderson's Landmarks are his own collection and interpretation of the historical landmarks, and that changes in both interpretation and practice have occurred before and since.

The decision was not universally approved in France. By 1894 many lodges had split off in protest and formed the Grande Loge de France (GLdF)[25] In 1910, a few members of the Grand Orient, wishing to re-introduce the concept of God the Great Architect, brought back the Rectified Scottish Rite from Switzerland. In the resulting friction with the national body, they amalgamated with the English lodge of Bordeaux to produce, in 1913, a third grand lodge, la Grande Loge Nationale Indépendante et Régulière pour la France et les Colonies françaises, now the Grande Loge Nationale Française.[26]"

While Grand Lodge/British/Anglo-Saxon controlled masonry demands a belief in a supreme being in which albert pike in morals and dogma refers to as Lucifer, Grand Orient French/Templar masonry believes that man once conquering nature will elevate to the position of Godhood.

Albert pike in his book basically says that all masons below 30 degrees are intentionally mislead as to who the "grand architect is" only once a mason hits the 30th degree is he told the truth as to who he has been worshipping in the lodge. Its not Allah, Jesus or Budda, its Lucifer.

It is all murky.
Professor Robison , who 1780s was visiting the Containmental Lodges was amazed and taken aback by the atheistic and political ideas of the European Masonary.
Firstly The Classic Masonary in Europe was infiltrated by the Iluminati , than they split to Grand Orient.
Even the Illuminati is a tricky term. Mirabeau in order to cover the traces used that term, because The Martinists called themselves like that.
Interesting thing is what Weishaupt wrote 1776 , the same things was written by Mirabeau. Weishaupt wasn't the oriigin of that.
Le Duc D" Orleans was , I think the first master but nominally.
The great deal of leading Jacobins were the members to the various level.
The infiltration started with the Congress of Wilhelmsbad, I think 1780 or something.
I liked to read Abbe Augustin De Baurrel and Nesta Webster. With copious references , they explain the nature of the beast. De Baurrel lived at that time and was intimate with many of those things.
Sleazy thing really.
For example, Lord Palmerston , British PM was one of the heads of Alta Vendita but the other PM Benjamin Disraeli was a staunch enemy of those groups and even had the speeches in The Parliament about Alta Vendita.
Sleazy, disgusting people.
Ah ,Yezidis believe in Lucifer, they call him Taus.

 

[TR_123456]

STOP WITH OFF TOPICS AND INSULTS,LAST WARNING TO ALL!!!

 

[Marquis de Sade]

Where is my source ?? bring me the source so i could study it what you are doing is making even more claim which sounds like cami dedikodusu ( mosque gossips ) which is common among Islamist. their paragraphs are always starts with it is said or it is believed or it is known or i heard that x,y,z ... etc so don't write me here without a source and dont interpret sentences to make a narrative that you want. GIVE ME A CRYSTAL CLEAR PROOF

Where do you want proof of? That some Freemasons were atheist?

Why is that important for you?

You can never know 100% in what another believes.

But at the hand of the writings of freemasons self, they are deists/satanists (Lucifer, bringer of the Light).

 

[UkroTurk]

I wonder if MIT also detained Mossad officers who connected with those collaborators? Even one real member of Mossad was detained in Türkiye?

 

[Bogeyman]

I wonder if MIT also detained Mossad officers who connected with those collaborators? Even one real member of Mossad was detained in Türkiye?

You cannot arrest an agent who is an Israeli citizen. For this, the state must be very strong. The state must be able to withstand the pressures. If you remember the Pastor Brunson case, you will understand what I mean.

 

[UkroTurk]

You cannot arrest an agent who is an Israeli citizen. For this, the state must be very strong. The state must be able to withstand the pressures. If you remember the Pastor Brunson case, you will understand what I mean.

So those Palestinian collaborators are real idiots

 

[Bogeyman]

So those Palestinian collaborators are real idiots

Not everyone may have the courage and determination to sacrifice their lives for their own country or land. When necessary, a person may have to sacrifice his loved ones, his parents and his wife. If you do not have this heart or cannot bear to pay the price in any other way, then you will be like a leaf blown by the wind.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

You can arrest anyone and make anyone disappear, even Israeli citizens in Turkey or elsewhere.
Everything just has to be undercover, nothing more, and you have to deny wherever possible that you have anything to do with it as a state/country.
The USA, Russia, China and Europe have been doing this with people for decades....if, for example, Julian Assange from WikiLeaks or Edward Snowden were not a person of public interest.
He would probably have been dead long ago and his body would have disappeared without a trace.

 

[Kartal1]

They are using Arabs again.

Unbelievable how they are not even brave enough to use their own people.

Nobody will risk heir own personnel in such an operation. This is how intelligence services always worked. Arabs or not it is preferable for the agent to be as close to the adversary as much as possible in all ways, but when it comes to dissidents most importantly cultural. Nobody would sent a case officer so he can say "Hello! I am a Jew from MOSSAD and I am here to perform a series of actions which are barely legal or illegal to foreign dissidents in your country. I hope you don't mind."

Many of the agents that work under MOSSAD are just people with minimal training close to the targets of interest. They do this mostly on volunteering principle, but some of them have needs that they can't fulfill and MOSSAD case officers exploit these weaknesses and are offering assistance in return of service. It may be health treatment support, financial support, diplomatic support etc. You can clearly understand the motivation by looking at the fact that one of the suspects said that he work for MOSSAD. For those who don't have a clue (I am not an expert), this is absolutely unacceptable under any conditions for a man that wants to continue his career in the intelligence services. Every such operation has cover and basis. Every agent part of the operation is given a cover story. You keep to the story until you get released or diplomatic support arrives. Confession is not a part of this business.

These cases are not unique to MOSSAD or the Arabs. I want to remind that FETO are Turks, they worked for foreign intelligence services, they worked against Turkiye and killed Turks. There are many examples like this in the history of humankind.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Nobody will risk heir own personnel in such an operation. This is how intelligence services always worked. Arabs or not it is preferable for the agent to be as close to the adversary as much as possible in all ways, but when it comes to dissidents most importantly cultural. Nobody would sent a case officer so he can say "Hello! I am a Jew from MOSSAD and I am here to perform a series of actions which are barely legal or illegal to foreign dissidents in your country. I hope you don't mind."

Many of the agents that work under MOSSAD are just people with minimal training close to the targets of interest. They do this mostly on volunteering principle, but some of them have needs that they can't fulfill and MOSSAD case officers exploit these weaknesses and are offering assistance in return of service. It may be health treatment support, financial support, diplomatic support etc. You can clearly understand the motivation by looking at the fact that one of the suspects said that he work for MOSSAD. For those who don't have a clue (I am not an expert), this is absolutely unacceptable under any conditions for a man that wants to continue his career in the intelligence services. Every such operation has cover and basis. Every agent part of the operation is given a cover story. You keep to the story until you get released or diplomatic support arrives. Confession is not a part of this business.

These cases are not unique to MOSSAD or the Arabs. I want to remind that FETO are Turks, they worked for foreign intelligence services, they worked against Turkiye and killed Turks. There are many examples like this in the history of humankind.

Most feto boys in leadership positions are not ethnic Turks, just like in AK party where Erdogan is Georgian, Hakan Fidan Kurd, etc etc. Americans wouldnt be so stupid as to use ethnic Turks when tyring to undermine and ruin your nation. Its intelligent for them to take minorities who have grievances, they make the best agents. Because they want to see you ruined as well.

now this doesn't mean that minorities are aginst the state or enemies of the republic, no. Most minorities are no different to the majority, its just safer to use minorities against the target nation.

 

[Kartal1]

Most feto boys in leadership positions are not ethnic Turks, just like in AK party where Erdogan is Georgian, Hakan Fidan Kurd, etc etc. Americans wouldnt be so stupid as to use ethnic Turks when tyring to undermine and ruin your nation. Its intelligent for them to take minorities who have grievances, they make the best agents. Because they want to see you ruined as well.

now this doesn't mean that minorities are aginst the state or enemies of the republic, no. Most minorities are no different to the majority, its just safer to use minorities against the target nation.

 

[GoatsMilk]

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You got to list the history of each individual, simply posting the names isn't enough. FETO backed AK party,

For example. Erdogan is Georgian, his wife is Kurdish.
Hakan Fidan is Kurdish.
Baykartar brothers are Cicassasian.
Binali Yildirim is Kurdish
Abdulluh gul and the AK party other founder also not Turkish, the one whose name i forget is creten greek.

All of them got Turkish names and in the early days paraded around as nationalist Turks. But it turned out none of them were, neither ethnically Turkish nor nationalist.

Even the main guys in the leadership positions of opposing parties are not ethnic Turks.

Remember the clown wearing the fez supported by AK party who used to tell Turks it would have been better had the greeks destroyed Ataturks armies? Well he was pontic greek. Political islamists are notoriously filled with minorities who hate everything about Turks.

Now is there going to be the odd Turk whose fooled into joining these groups, yes, is there going to be some despicable Turks who join for financial rewards, sure but in most cases the enemy uses minorities because he doesnt want his puppets to have any feeling for the nation or its people.

For example someone like me would be terrible to employ, i'm not going to do anything to the country or people to undermine it. That comes from a moral place, but it also comes from a place of having a connection to the people and the land. Now think of the hundreds of thousands of PKK sympathisers in the region, those guys would make excellent political or islamist puppets for the americans to use against you and your country.

The roman empire for example would use say french to police the Spanish and Spanish to police the French. Its the same thing in the police force, they don't make you police the area you are from, they say its to protect you but in reality the government knows that if you police the area you are in you may be lenient to the people since you have to live there and you may know many people. For example you pull someone over and he happens to be a friend of your dads, you may not book him.

 

[Kartal1]

You got to list the history of each individual, simply posting the names isn't enough.

For example. Erdogan is Georgian, his wife is Kurdish.
Hakan Fidan is Kurdish.
Baykartar brothers are Cicassasian.
Binali Yildirim is Kurdish
Abdulluh gul and other founder also not Turkish, the ones who name i forget is creten greek.

All of them got Turkish names at in the early days paraded around as nationalist Turks. But it turned out none of them were.

Even the main guys in the leadership positions of opposing parties are not ethnic Turks.

I simply don't have time for this. I can only assure you one thing. The recruiters of these men on the pictures thought lastly if one is Georgian or Circassian before recruiting him into FETO. There is no importance of ethnicity in this organization. We are talking about cultism and money. I only gave FETO as an example, but I can assure you that there are many more examples of Turks working for foreign intelligence organizations knowingly and unknowingly. While Turks are more nationalistic than the most of the people around the world, Turks are not immune to recruitment.