TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Pilatino]

TF-23 TULPAR.

I guess we'll see one more/last thing tonight

 

[Huelague]

I am still thinking of F-22 nozzle on TFX in near future. We should think of it.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Now, let's wait, and see if the countries that were hesitant in stage 1-PDr will be eager to participate in the latest development of the TFX. The critical design is underway/done while the prototype is revealed. Negotiations will just increase now, and the same applies to Hurjet. Those who missed the last train will probably never get the top-notch TFX that the Turkish air force will operate.

 

[Afif]

Those who missed the last train will probably never get the top-notch TFX that the Turkish air force will operate.

Which train are you referring to bro?

 

[Afif]

A valid and good point.
I really doubt anybody will be allowed on board as the ship has already sailed. From this moment on it will be supplier and the customers. Naturally, depending on political necessities and nature of the buyers‘ relation with Turkey, there might be some perks and some tweaks applied here and there but mainly I see a solo Turkish enterprise after this point.

But for 6th gen MMU development partnership, you will get a long line standing in front of 'TUSAS doner shop.'

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Which train are you referring to bro?

Turkiye offered partnerships to many countries regarding the TFX in the so-called Stage-1 PDr that @Cabatli_TR mentioned before. The project included co-funding as well as joint-engineering participation. The risk and the cost of the project seemed to not attract the countries that the TFX was offered to. The case is different now but the train is gone

 

[Ripley]

But for 6th gen MMU development partnership, you will get a long line standing in front of 'TUSAS doner shop.'

Ah bro, right now all I want is see this beast fly, tbh
I hope there are already some preliminary studies underway for the 6th gen. When we get there, Inshallah, your döner on me bro

 

[Afif]

Turkiye offered partnerships to many countries regarding the TFX in the so-called Stage-1 PDr that @Cabatli_TR mentioned before. The project included co-funding as well as joint-engineering participation. The risk and the cost of the project seemed to not attract the countries that the TFX was offered to. The case is different now but the train is gone

Oh, I remember that.

Even Though I think that 'Joint engineering thing would have been at best a local assembly line and and opertunity to manufacture some spare parts. ( which would've great for those countries domestic aerospace industry )

Other than that, I cannot possibly expect Turkey to share TFX's critical avionics or senor tech no matter who is the ( potential ) partners.

 

[Afif]

When 5 most strategic projects of Turkish defence industry will be successfully and completely realized, Turkey won't have any conventional vulnerability.

1. MILDEN project.

2. SIPER family development project.

3. TFX development project.

4. Balistic missile program. ( possible future HGV developed by Roketsan )

5. TF2000 development project.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Kind of scary to think about the level of airpower Turkiye will be able to field in 10 years time. 20 years from now you may be looking at one the most advanced and powerful militaries on earth.

These projects will play a very important role in eliminating expansionist threats created around Turkiye. These threats are used by West politically in most critical moments to absorb and distract Turkiyes energy. Whenever a situation develops against interests of the West, we see that these problems are re-heated and turned into a threat to the survival of our country. There will come a time when Turkiye will take the initiative to solve these problems radically, most likely using all possible options. Until then, these projects need to be finished and they need to reach operational capabilities so I believe West will attack on most critical ones to stop them (by enforcing stronger embargos maybe) so I think Turkiye is taking precautions for different embargo scenarios as well.

Besides, Turkiye is currently changing the paradigm of world strength literature and war concepts and increasing its weight in the military power/foreign politics balance. This inevitably causes indigestion in their minds/plans. 10 years from now, Turkiye becomes the only state in region that reaches a superior level that can upset all calculations and balances in the region, no matter who will be the enemy, Turkiye will have insttuments to disrupt these 100 year bloody Middle East plans serving the interests of West. The West will have a hard time accepting this situation so they will try for alternative ways. We must be careful in every sense

 

[Ahmad]

These projects will play a very important role in eliminating expansionist threats created around Turkiye. These threats are used by West politically in most critical moments to absorb and distract Turkiyes energy. Whenever a situation develops against interests of the West, we see that these problems are re-heated and turned into a threat to the survival of our country. There will come a time when Turkiye will take the initiative to solve these problems radically, most likely using all possible options. Until then, these projects need to be finished and they need to reach operational capabilities so I believe West will attack on most critical ones to stop them (by enforcing stronger embargos maybe) so I think Turkiye is taking precautions for different embargo scenarios as well.

Imagine about the level of power projection Turkey will gain with this ambitious projects in near future.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Even Google who saw TFX, has its settings broken

 

[Radonsider]

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Roketsan - ÇAKIR Cruise Missile

www.roketsan.com.tr

Dude, look at the photo(ANKA-3) again. There's no room for an inside station in this UCAV. Even the Şimşek kamikaze UAV in hand carries it out of the wings. The Çakır medium-range anti-ship missile has a length of 3.3 meters, even without a motor. There is no point in using Çakır without a motor. So the inner station of this UCAV cannot be smaller than 4.1 m.

There is room for IWBs, there are 2 of them (left and right of the intake/engine), the render posted by that newspaper/site is correct. You can just use the humans for scale there.

 

[Oublious]

I am Tired, i have spend my saturday night behind social media and forums because of TFX and ANKA3. I will stop reading for a week...

good night....

 

[Bogeyman]

Nope. Your eyes are deceiving you. If TAI releases a video you will see. It has a really big internal weapon bay.

There is no problem on my part. From my point of view they are all beatiful

 

[dBSPL]

When 5 most strategic projects of Turkish defence industry will be successfully and completely realized, Turkey won't have any conventional vulnerability.

1. MILDEN project.

2. SIPER family development project.

3. TFX development project.

4. Balistic missile program. ( possible future HGV developed by Roketsan )

5. TF2000 development project.

The MILDEN and MMU programs are certainly the most strategic and difficult targets of all. If the Turkish defense industry is able to achieve these two goals, I can confidently say that there is no goal that is beyond our reach.

 

[Huelague]

When 5 most strategic projects of Turkish defence industry will be successfully and completely realized, Turkey won't have any conventional vulnerability.

1. MILDEN project.

2. SIPER family development project.

3. TFX development project.

4. Balistic missile program. ( possible future HGV developed by Roketsan )

5. TF2000 development project.

Add national GPS on it.

 

[Saithan]

I was one of the first people that tried to argue against his observations instead of just calling him an Iranian agent.

my recent defence of him is because I have seen the same argument about the stabilizers in several other places, and nobody has tried to counter it.

That said, I do not desire Mr phone number man to be right, but I believe that criticism is extremely important as it leads to discussions that expose a weakness that can be corrected in the future thus leading to strength, power and wealth.

I had to read through all the damn pages before I made my post.

some people just narrowsighted and argue for the sake of arguing or impatient and press the reply button instead of reading to the end.

TBH @Nilgiri’s answer ( and others who said the same) was more than sufficient, and should have settled any further discussion.

From that point on any further discussion is kinda waste. Why am I saying that, well He’s aviation specialist, discussion among amateurs (kids) are fine until you raise the bar (adults).

IMO that is. I made this post 2h later so maybe the discussion has managed to make another round around the court…

 

[Ripley]

I had to read through all the damn pages before I made my post.

some people just narrowsighted and argue for the sake of arguing or impatient and press the reply button instead of reading to the end.

TBH @Nilgiri’s answer ( and others who said the same) was more than sufficient, and should have settled any further discussion.

From that point on any further discussion is kinda waste. Why am I saying that, well He’s aviation specialist, discussion among amateurs (kids) are fine until you raise the bar (adults).

IMO that is. I made this post 2h later so maybe the discussion has managed to make another round around the court…

The last couple days this thread was, well.. hectic to say the least

 

[boredaf]

Maybe upgrade kits if they are promised to be delivered quickly before the end of 2025.

I think this is the way to go. Just get the upgrade kits for the block we can't upgrade ourselves and focus on F-16 modernization, domestic anti-air systems and drones. BUT only if drones can be delivered and F-16 upgrade can be done quickly. Otherwise our air force would be left in a dangerous positions.

Btw, there were reports about Spain potentially canceling their A400M deal, I think we should also look at that and get few more if we can, that would really help us as well.