TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

I've been hearing/reading from multiple sources that the design of Kaan's P1/P2 prototypes will be "very different". I was also expecting to see some changes in it's design, but can anyone with better knowledge help me imagine/predict( to some extent) what those "very different" changes can be? Can we see the fuselage turning something closer to GCAD or NGAD maybe? Or those claims are for clickbaits only?

Smaller, flatter canopy, cannon..

 

[Zoth]

Smaller, flatter canopy, cannon..

Do we have any idea on what the aircraft/concept at the top of the table is? For some reason it looks really similar to NGAD(minus the vertical stabilizer/rudder?), could that design be Kaan that is fully planned-optimized for full air superiority prior to us getting kicked out of F35 program?

(Sorry if this is already discussed here, i am still fairly new to this forum )

EDIT: https://www.defenceturkey.com/tr/icerik/insansiz-savas-ucagi-anka-iii-tisu-mius-a-bir-bakis-5451

According to Defence Turkey, that top version seems to be the air superiority version derived from MIUS/TIUS, i wonder if they scrapped the project or are they still working on it? The design of it looks really nice to be totally honest.

 

[Armament]

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Do we have any idea on what the aircraft/concept at the top of the table is? For some reason it looks really similar to NGAD(minus the vertical stabilizer/rudder?), could that design be Kaan that is fully planned-optimized for full air superiority prior to us getting kicked out of F35 program?

(Sorry if this is already discussed here, i am still fairly new to this forum )

EDIT: https://www.defenceturkey.com/tr/icerik/insansiz-savas-ucagi-anka-iii-tisu-mius-a-bir-bakis-5451

According to Defence Turkey, that top version seems to be the air superiority version derived from MIUS/TIUS, i wonder if they scrapped the project or are they still working on it? The design of it looks really nice to be totally honest.

This is Anka 4.

 

[dBSPL]

If I am not mistaken, a more detailed presentation of this ilustration is presented in the 'Türkiye Unmanned Aerial Vehicles Roadmap 2011-2030' document. So this roadmap is based on TAI's corporate strategy, which dates back maybe 15 years. Although there have been many differences in some areas over the years, the order of the systems and the dates of their emergence show that the master plan remains valid to a considerable extent.

Since this document was published in 2011 We always knew that the stealth flying wing armed drone would come in some way, but there were things that not went beyond speculation about when the project would start or if it had started. It was even completely forgotten for a while. Until Kotil's statement which he made suddenly. Things were going a little differently during Kotil's time, ANKA-3 was announced by him before even the concept drawings were not reflected in the press. I am the first person to open a thread about ANKA-3 in foreign forums, that's how I know it. We didn't even have any concept art to show. Kotil's press statements were never contain specific information, he liked to explain systems in a way that everyone could understand, and he also liked to make exciting. GM Demiroğlu, on the other hand, I think is closer to the military mentality, his statements are more cautious, and he is careful not to share too much.

Anyway, ANKA-4 or ANKA-X, whatever its code name will be, we know that TAI will come up with a much more agile and powered turbofan UCAV. The question of when is speculative for now, maybe tomorrow, maybe even sooner. My personal opinion is that concept drawings will be leaked in 2025.

 

[Merzifonlu]

What I don't understand is why do we need Anka-4 when we have Kızılelma? Do we have a lot of money to throw away?

 

[Sanchez]

What I don't understand is why do we need Anka-4 when we have Kızılelma? Do we have a lot of money to throw away?

We have no idea what "Anka-4" is, or whether it will happen in the first place. Anka-4 is not even its official name. Back to the topic please.

 

[blackjack]

What I don't understand is why do we need Anka-4 when we have Kızılelma? Do we have a lot of money to throw away?

drones are cheaper than aircrafts, what costs are you looking at for the kizilelma and anka-4?

 

[Merzifonlu]

We have no idea what "Anka-4" is, or whether it will happen in the first place. Anka-4 is not even its official name. Back to the topic please.

Actually, I think we are clearly within this topic. And if we are going to talk about the image above, "Anka-4" will be a high-performance interceptor drone that will accompany Kaan.

If this is really what is planned by TUSAŞ, then I ask why there is a need for "Anka-4" (or whatever its name will be) when there is Kızılelma.

 

[2033]

Actually, I think we are clearly within this topic. And if we are going to talk about the image above, "Anka-4" will be a high-performance interceptor drone that will accompany Kaan.

If this is really what is planned by TUSAŞ, then I ask why there is a need for "Anka-4" (or whatever its name will be) when there is Kızılelma.

The Kızılelma and the Anka-4 are very different platforms. It is understood that Kızılelma will focus on air-to-air missions with its canards.

 

[Zoth]

The Kızılelma and the Anka-4 are very different platforms. It is understood that Kızılelma will focus on air-to-air missions with its canards.

Which exactly what is Anka-4 is designed/ used to be designed for(since they mention air-air defence, probably?), look at the above table that i sent, you probably did confuse Anka 3 with Anka 4.

 

[Armament]

What I don't understand is why do we need Anka-4 when we have Kızılelma? Do we have a lot of money to throw away?

I think it's because Baykar is a private company and TAI is state-owned. Kizılelma is more of an independent product and more internationally oriented. Meanwhile, Anka is made to meet the requirements of the Air Force. Furthermore, Anka-4 will most likely be stealthier and will have a higher quality of manufacturing, so don't mind it .

 

[what]

What I don't understand is why do we need Anka-4 when we have Kızılelma? Do we have a lot of money to throw away?

Because TAI and Baykar do compete with each other, and TAI will (rightfully) not give away that space and the potential loyal wingman project away without a fight.

If every KAAN gets 1-2 wingman, that would be at least 100-200 pieces and probably 3-4bln € worth of orders.


Edit: Sorry for derailing. Back on topic please.

 

[Azeri441]

Because TAI and Baykar do compete with each other, and TAI will (rightfully) not give away that space and the potential loyal wingman project away without a fight.

If every KAAN gets 1-2 wingman, that would be at least 100-200 pieces and probably 3-4bln € worth of orders.


Edit: Sorry for derailing. Back on topic please.

NGAD is aiming for 3 to 4 wingmen