TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[boredaf]

no one knows how far along the engine is, whether it has already been tested or not

How could they do any testing when they haven't even built an engine yet? They haven't even finished testing TF6K yet (and that is years away), they haven't shown if they built TF10K (and that'll also require years of testing).

 

[uçuyorum]

EF will add significant capability to our air force. Captor - E is likely stronger than Murad just by sheer power, plus added maturity. And it will be our twin engine superiority fighter in service until Kaan is operational and produced in large numbers ( IOC of initial deliveries 2031+, serial production likely much later). Modernized F16 with Murad in large numbers + EF should suffice our needs until 2035 more or less. Israeli and small number of Greek F35 will be a threat but likely manageable through other deterrents

 

[Zafer]

President Erdoğan moments ago; "Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN'ı belirlediğimiz takvimde Hava Kuvvetlerimizin envanterine katacağız."

We will introduce our national fighter jet Kaan into our Air Forces' inventory in the timeframe we have determined.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

President Erdoğan moments ago; "Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN'ı belirlediğimiz takvimde Hava Kuvvetlerimizin envanterine katacağız."

We will introduce our national fighter jet Kaan into our Air Forces' inventory in the timeframe we have determined.

He's just leaving "if everything goes well" unsaid.
Cause in case of delays there are enough excuses to use.
The fact is that there are no allies we can fully trust and our own power units are essential for all platforms.
We need to prioritise engine development.

According to statements from the CEO, we're at a good pace regarding engine development. We just need to keep going and not be deterred by anything.

 

[Zafer]

He's just leaving "if everything goes well" unsaid.

He could very well say that but he unusually chose not to which makes his confidence in the matter very strong. Normally he would say "god willing" even in matters which seem certain to happen. Im a sure he is keeping close tabs on the progress of the works.

 

[Yasar_TR]

He could very well say that but he unusually chose not to which makes his confidence in the matter very strong. Normally he would say "god willing" even in matters which seem certain to happen. Im a sure he is keeping close tabs on the progress of the works.

Erdoğan:
Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN'ı belirlediğimiz takvimde Hava Kuvvetlerimizin envanterine inşallah katacağız.

He does use the “godwilling”

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan: Cumhuriyetimizin ikinci asrını Türkiye Yüzyılı yapana kadar durmadan çalışmaya devam edeceğiz

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, "İttifak ortağımız ve milletimizle beraber Cumhuriyetimizin ikinci asrını Türkiye Yüzyılı yapana kadar durmadan, dinlenmeden çalışmaya devam edeceğiz." dedi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Anadolu Ajansı on Instagram: "Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Kabine Toplantısı’nın ardından açıklamalarda bulundu ⤵️⁠ ⁠ — Yerli ve milli savunma projelerimizi süratle devreye alırken, Avrupalı müttefiklerimizle kazan kazan temelinde savunma işbirliğimizi güç

933 likes, 8 comments - anadoluajansi on November 3, 2025: "Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Kabine Toplantısı’nın ardından açıklamalarda bulundu ⤵️⁠ ⁠ — Yerli ve milli savunma projelerimizi süratle devreye alırken, Avrupalı müttefiklerimizle kazan kazan temelinde savunma işbirliğimizi güçlendireceğiz⁠ ⁠...

www.instagram.com

@Zafer get your facts right please!

 

[Zafer]

Erdoğan:
Milli muharip uçağımız KAAN'ı belirlediğimiz takvimde Hava Kuvvetlerimizin envanterine inşallah katacağız.

He does use the “godwilling”

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan: Cumhuriyetimizin ikinci asrını Türkiye Yüzyılı yapana kadar durmadan çalışmaya devam edeceğiz

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, "İttifak ortağımız ve milletimizle beraber Cumhuriyetimizin ikinci asrını Türkiye Yüzyılı yapana kadar durmadan, dinlenmeden çalışmaya devam edeceğiz." dedi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Anadolu Ajansı on Instagram: "Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Kabine Toplantısı’nın ardından açıklamalarda bulundu ⤵️⁠ ⁠ — Yerli ve milli savunma projelerimizi süratle devreye alırken, Avrupalı müttefiklerimizle kazan kazan temelinde savunma işbirliğimizi güç

933 likes, 8 comments - anadoluajansi on November 3, 2025: "Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, Kabine Toplantısı’nın ardından açıklamalarda bulundu ⤵️⁠ ⁠ — Yerli ve milli savunma projelerimizi süratle devreye alırken, Avrupalı müttefiklerimizle kazan kazan temelinde savunma işbirliğimizi güçlendireceğiz⁠ ⁠...

www.instagram.com

@Zafer get your facts right please!

I copied and pasted from the online news piece, I didn't type myself, given the time difference good thing you watched the video and came up with the truth. I have been watching a live online event that I might have wanted to interact with in the last 90 minutes so I happened to fail to correct myself.

@Yasar_TR

SON DAKİKA: Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan: Savunma sanayiide tarih yazmaya devam edeceğiz

Haber 7 - SON DAKİKA HABERLERİ... Kabine toplantısı sonrası konuşan Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, gündeme dair önemli mesajlar paylaştı. Erdoğan, "Savunma sanayiide tarih yazmaya devam edeceğiz." dedi.

www.haber7.com

 

[TheInsider]

This guy is cooking Koreans over their remarks on Kaan project. He is listing major outsourced subsystems of KF-21.

https://x.com/T_Nblty

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986880575870017798

KF-21 looks worse than I first anticipated. They are not selling this aircraft to anyone the US doesn't want.

 

[Strong AI]

This guy is cooking Koreans over their remarks on Kaan project. He is listing major outsourced subsystems of KF-21.

https://x.com/T_Nblty

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986880575870017798

KF-21 looks worse than I first anticipated. They are not selling this aircraft to anyone the US doesn't want.

I don't want to belittle the achievements of our SK friends. But let's be honest, compared to the KAAN program, KF21 program feels more like LEGO. However the KF21 program on its own is a great achievement for a nation too. Respect to SK.

 

[TR_123456]

I don't want to belittle the achievements of our SK friends. But let's be honest, compared to the KAAN program, KF21 program feels more like LEGO. However the KF21 program on its own is a great achievement for a nation too. Respect to SK.

Yeah but the KF-21 is already a finished platform,it works perfectly and can be upgraded.
The KAAN only has one prototype,nothing else,we should talk when its a finished platform,not before.

 

[YeşilVatan]

And there is nothing but budgets holding Koreans back from localizing subsystems. Our situations are worlds apart due to acute embargos. Can't be compared.

 

[Strong AI]

Yeah but the KF-21 is already a finished platform,it works perfectly and can be upgraded.
The KAAN only has one prototype,nothing else,we should talk when its a finished platform,not before.

Yeah because it is like LEGO compared to KAAN. No wonder the program is already more advanced than KAAN, because it was easier to build. And the first blocks of KF21 are less advanced than what KAAN block 1 will be.

 

[hugh]

Yeah because it is like LEGO compared to KAAN. No wonder the program is already more advanced than KAAN, because it was easier to build. And the first blocks of KF21 are less advanced than what KAAN block 1 will be.

Kaan's first flight prototype hasn't even flown yet and we call their serially produced aircraft LEGO? We shouldn't assume that our test campaign will go as smoothly as the theirs. It might very well not be.

We are proud of our achievements but let's not denigrate others to get a moment of satisfaction.

 

[Khagan1923]

This guy is cooking Koreans over their remarks on Kaan project. He is listing major outsourced subsystems of KF-21.

https://x.com/T_Nblty

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1986880575870017798

KF-21 looks worse than I first anticipated. They are not selling this aircraft to anyone the US doesn't want.

KF-21 is still an impressive project but anyone who actually looked into it knew that only a minority of its parts are actually developed and produced by SK itself. Majority is bought from foreign countries. How else do people think they were able to develop so fast into an serial production ready aircraft?

That is also why already years ago I mentioned that South Korea will have immense problems selling the KF-21 to nations where the US is already advertising its own fighters (F-16, F-15). It doesn't even take a veto or no from the americans when its comes to export permission. They won't just answer the request by the South Korean government and let the tender run its course. Without a guarentee that South Korea can actually sell the aircraft to the buyer the buyer will never choose the KF-21 over the F-16 or F-15 or any other american fighter.

TBF if we had better relations and trust, Kaan could have easily been a similar project, with the first Block(s) being mainly equipped with foreign parts and slowly over time be replaced by indigenous ones.

 

[Strong AI]

Kaan's first flight prototype hasn't even flown yet and we call their serially produced aircraft LEGO? We shouldn't assume that our test campaign will go as smoothly as the theirs. It might very well not be.

We are proud of our achievements but let's not denigrate others to get a moment of satisfaction.

I sometimes really think that some of you guys can't read.

However the KF21 program on its own is a great achievement for a nation too. Respect to SK.

And yes if you have a program where you can buy everything you are lacking from different nations (KF21), then it is like LEGO compared to a different program where you have to make everything from scratch (KAAN).

Maybe some of you got it now why KF21 is already ready.

 

[Anmdt]

Yeah but the KF-21 is already a finished platform,it works perfectly and can be upgraded.
The KAAN only has one prototype,nothing else,we should talk when its a finished platform,not before.

Plus we need to consider geopolitical facts, TuAF conducts cross-border operations on regular basis, and sometimes attempt to do far fetched one (Libya), operating bases in Libya - Somalia, and KAAN has been built based on certain requirements based on previous experience and upcoming threats or rivals. KF21 was evaluated and hasn't seemed to fit our requirements ie. not introducing a remarkable leap in capabilities and not answering what TuAF typically needs. I am not getting to the last point where how our decision and plan makers suck at seeing what's at the corner, or experts in being sanctioned out of blue.

Korea on the other hand had been reluctant in modifying the platform for customer needs, the focused on certain facts, keeping it simple - straightforward and answering what their airforce needs in given timeplan to replace the aging fleet with a 4+/4.5 gen fighter. And here we must admit the fact that, they planned something as is and adhered to it, both from financial and acquisition point of view.

We can't even go 1-to-1 comparison between respective airforces, let alone the fighter themselves. The discussion or comparison itself is pointless.

 

[urban mine]

The claim that South Korea can't sell the KF-21 to countries the US disapproves of is pretty laughable. Why should Korea have to do that? We're not like Turkey, constantly clashing with the US over every little thing... And calling it Lego? It reminds me of those who mocked Sweden's Gripen C/D drawings. If you call it Lego just because some subsystems use foreign parts, does that mean everything has to be domestically produced? It's not like we're North Korea... Some people on X were implying we lack technology, but most of those parts are already in the process of being domestically produced.

As @Anmdt mentioned above, the KF-21 is being developed to meet all ROKAF requirements, so I won't elaborate further.

 

[TR_123456]

Yeah because it is like LEGO compared to KAAN. No wonder the program is already more advanced than KAAN, because it was easier to build. And the first blocks of KF21 are less advanced than what KAAN block 1 will be.

So,if we could we wouldnt have done the ''LEGO'' way,right?
You know South-Korea's industrial complex is better then ours,yes?
Or are you going to deny that?
Dont know if noticed but you insulted a country ahead of ours on this issue .

 

[TR_123456]

so I won't elaborate further

Why not,it is deserved?
No need to hold back.

 

[urban mine]

Why not,it is deserved?
No need to hold back.

It's already been explained in the KF-X thread, so is there really any need to elaborate further? If we must, we can cite the Altay case. I could take the same stance on Altay. But I won't. Turkey continues to demonstrate its commitment to localization, and it's actually happening, yet Korean companies' subsystems are still integrated within it. Does that mean I call this LEGO? I've heard T2 will be localized in more areas. But that's a bit further in the future. Your factory hasn't even been under construction for a week yet, has it?