Air-Force Trump approves selling F-22 Raptor to Israel — Saudi report

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Newspaper says US is okaying sale of the advanced stealth aircraft to maintain the Jewish state's military superiority, after announcing plans to sell F-35s to UAE​


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Illustrative: Two US Air Force F-22 Raptors fly over Syria, February 2, 2018. (Air National Guard/ Staff Sgt. Colton Elliott via Department of Defense)

US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper told Israeli officials during a visit to Israel this week that the Trump administration has approved selling F-22 stealth fighters to the Jewish state, according to a Friday report in a Saudi-owned newspaper.

US President Donald Trump okayed the sale of the F-22 Raptor and precision-guided bombs to Israel, the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper reported, citing senior sources in Tel Aviv.

Israeli defense officials requested to buy the F-22 — one of the world’s most advanced fighter jets — to maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region after the US agreed to sell F-35 fighters to the United Arab Emirates, Haaretz reported on Tuesday.

Israel had previously expressed interest in buying the F-22, but the US declined, the report said. The US halted production of the fighter in 2011 and legally barred its sale to foreign countries.

Esper and Defense Minister Benny Gantz have met three times in just over a month, including Esper’s visit to Tel Aviv on Thursday. Esper also met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Defense Ministry Director-General Amir Eshel and Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Aviv Kochavi during the trip.

“They discussed the imperative to maintain regional security and stability and to confront Iran,” Gantz’s office said

source familiar with the meeting, who requested anonymity, told AFP that Gantz and Esper built on the discussions held in Washington last week on “making progress toward upgrading Israel’s qualitative military edge” following “developments in the region.”


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US Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, left, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, right, meet at the Israel Aerospace Industries in Tel Aviv on October 29, 2020. (Paul Handley/AFP)


Last week and in late September, Gantz traveled to Washington for high-level meetings with Esper and other American defense officials on ways to offset the damage to Israel’s military edge by the proposed sale of the state-of-the-art, fifth-generation aircraft to the UAE.

Esper and Gantz signed an agreement in Washington last week that reaffirmed American commitment to maintaining Israel’s qualitative military edge, the technical term for military superiority in the Middle East, in light of the proposed sale of American F-35 stealth fighter jets to the UAE.

Though the US has agreed generally to maintain Israeli military supremacy in the region, no deals have yet been signed for specific weapon systems or defense programs. These will likely focus on the sale of additional fighter jets, helicopters and air defense systems to Israel, a senior defense official familiar with the negotiations told reporters last week.

The White House updated Congress on Thursday of its intent to sell F-35s to the UAE.

The informal notification to the House Foreign Affairs Committee revealed that the White House plans to sell as many as 50 units of the Lockheed Martin-made jets for roughly $10.4 billion, a senior congressional staffer told The Times of Israel. Israel has ordered the same number of F-35s from the US, though not all of them have been transferred yet.

Reports of the US intention to sell the aircraft to the UAE began days after Abu Dhabi agreed to normalize ties with Israel following negotiations brokered by the White House.

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Israeli and American F-35 fighter jets take part in a joint exercise over southern Israel on March 29, 2020. (Israel Defense Forces)

US and Israeli officials have asserted the F-35 sale was not directly tied to normalization, but White House officials have acknowledged that the peace deal signed last month placed the UAE in a better position to purchase the advanced aircraft, which only Israel has in the Middle East.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu initially voiced opposition to the sale, but last Friday reversed his position, issuing a statement saying it would not oppose US plans to provide “certain weapon systems” to the UAE.

Asked to comment on the Congressional notification, Netanyahu told reporters Thursday that it followed extensive talks between the US and Israel during which Jerusalem received “more than just security” in the assurances from the US that its military superiority in the region would be maintained.

“We are facing a joint threat,” he said, apparently suggesting that the US could sell such weapons to the UAE with Israel’s blessing, given their common enemy of Iran.

The proposed sale of the F-35 to Abu Dhabi has become a hot-button issue in Israel in light of allegations that Netanyahu had told the United States that Jerusalem would not oppose such a move as part of a normalization agreement with the UAE brokered by the White House. Netanyahu has repeatedly denied that the F-35 sale was part of the deal with the Emiratis.

Gantz has publicly accused Netanyahu of holding negotiations regarding the sale of advanced weapons by the US to countries in the region behind the back of the Defense Ministry.

 

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That is all well and good but...you cannot really make any more F-22s.

Is Trump talking about transferring existing US fighters to Israel? Has he asked the Air Force about that, lol?

Moreover, reading the original source makes me think this is some kind of hoax/fake news. It talks about a 14 ton bomb that only F-22 can carry??!

Israel also requested the smart bomb, which weighs 14 tons, and F-22 jets, which is the only model that can carry that bomb. Notably, the US pledged to refrain from selling this bomb and jet to any country in the world.

Alex Fishman, a military analyst at Yedioth Ahronoth, said that Esper came to inform Gantz and Netanyahu that the US has approved their demands over this issue.

Zohar Palti, head of the Political-Military Bureau at Israel's Ministry of Defense, and the US Deputy Defense Secretary, James Anderson, reached an understanding regarding the threats that Israel will face, according to Fishman.

He said that there is an unwritten commitment that Israel will receive what it needs to confront any threat that could evolve over the next decade, before getting the full aid package.

Fishman, who is known for his close ties with the security establishment, made it clear that the US administration had pledged to provide Israel with new technology, including smart bombs to infiltrate underground bases “against the Iranian threat.”

He pointed out that Israel does not possess stealth aircraft capable of carrying the heavy bomb
, but can benefit from new technology embedded in it.
 
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I mean why not, the next gen NGAD is on its way, F-22 will no longer be America's top end Air domination platform.
 

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That is all well and good but...you cannot really make any more F-22s.

Is Trump talking about transferring existing US fighters to Israel? Has he asked the Air Force about that, lol?

Moreover, reading the original source makes me think this is some kind of hoax/fake news. It talks about a 14 ton bomb that only F-22 can carry??!
Japan also wanted to buy a f22 or a modernized version of it with f35 stealth coating and sensors... they’ll probably get them to restart a production line. If one is started now, cost of per plane would be 220-240 million
 

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Israel really going to get the F22.

Literally no point in competing with them when it comes to having an airforce.
 

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That is all well and good but...you cannot really make any more F-22s.

Is Trump talking about transferring existing US fighters to Israel? Has he asked the Air Force about that, lol?

Moreover, reading the original source makes me think this is some kind of hoax/fake news. It talks about a 14 ton bomb that only F-22 can carry??!

It is my thought on the issue too.

The production line will not be restarted...that much is very clear. Don't know where some are getting the idea that it will be and even have costings lol...if you know what mothballed capacity w.r.t secctor looks like at this length.

What may happen potentially is 1 specific squadron of used F-22s transferred to Israel and USAF replaces these on its side with extra F-35s or so (or other relevant power level).

Or maybe an unofficial hosting of USAF squadron in Israel (it may end up looking like that anyway if it goes through).

The time frame (esp. regarding NGAD and other 6th+ gen stuff) and what doctrinal advantage Israel has researched and worked alongside US behind the scenes are key...in what the F-22 integrates with and provides of high significance to current IDF force projection.

The very threat and PR from announcing this has a utility of its own, it might just be that and little else.
 

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