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Don't think this is an event that will lead to fleet being grounded. It's a mature platform with tens of thousands of pages of after service reports on the books. Unless a mass frenzy by populace demands it.

They should have been retired 5-6 years ago already, but again, we don't have any replacements for it do we?
 

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Don't think this is an event that will lead to fleet being grounded. It's a mature platform with tens of thousands of pages of after service reports on the books. Unless a mass frenzy by populace demands it.

They should have been retired 5-6 years ago already, but again, we don't have any replacements for it do we?
We need to delegate as much of its responsibilities as we can to our drones, lower their flight hours as much as possible.
Because,compared to the KAAN and Drones,our Hurjet development is a bit too slow,they should have been in service years ago.
 

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Drones we have can't currently undertake F-4's roles except for dropping HGKs in COIN ops. In their near retirement old age, they are required to work day and night, because we don't have a substitute.
 

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Drones we have can't currently undertake F-4's roles except for dropping HGKs in COIN ops. In their near retirement old age, they are required to work day and night, because we don't have a substitute.
1. We should had ordered 400 F-16 before,270 is not enough

2.By now we can only produce Hurjet ASAP.

I dont like US will sell us 40 F-16V
 

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1. We should had ordered 400 F-16 before,270 is not enough
We had 150 F-4s and 100 F-5s back in 90s. As well as 200 F-104s in 89. Real drop in numbers that now effects us happened after 2010s. We should have had at least 80-90 F-35s by now.
 

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We had 150 F-4s and 100 F-5s back in 90s. As well as 200 F-104s in 89. Real drop in numbers that now effects us happened after 2010s. We should have had at least 80-90 F-35s by now.
F-35 seems delayed a lot,even other countries had only 30-40 by now.
 

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This might be very, very relevant for our F-16 acquisition:


New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez was charged on Friday with corruption-related offenses for the second time in 10 years. Menendez and his wife, Nadine Arslanian Menendez, are accused of accepting “hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes” in exchange for the senator’s influence, according to the newly unsealed federal indictment.

This twat is also up for reelection next year, timing of these charges might torpedo his chances of getting nominated again.
 

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This might be very, very relevant for our F-16 acquisition:


New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez was charged on Friday with corruption-related offenses for the second time in 10 years. Menendez and his wife, Nadine Arslanian Menendez, are accused of accepting “hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes” in exchange for the senator’s influence, according to the newly unsealed federal indictment.

This twat is also up for reelection next year, timing of these charges might torpedo his chances of getting nominated again.

Nominated? He is done for. He will resign in a couple days. So are his sons chances of ever taking over his seat.

The biggest weapon the Armenian and Greek lobby had has just imploded. This dude was all they had.


Would not surprise me to see the F-16 deal be approved in the coming months.
 

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This is the 3rd or 4th corruption scandal of Menendez. Also the second time he's being tried for corruption, first one was in 2018 and it was dropped by the court.
Menendez doesn't have to be nominated as well. He will just enter his state's democratic party primary and will just win in a landslide, probably also win the election.
And the dude is preparing his son for his spot. He's a political animal. He's not at all "done for."

Menendez is also not the only one the lobbies have, none at all. This cheering will turn to frowns if Pallone or Van Hollen replaces him in 3 months. Menendez is only a symptom, not the cause. He's not a rogue agent flying under the radar.
 

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This is the 3rd or 4th corruption scandal of Menendez. Also the second time he's being tried for corruption, first one was in 2018 and it was dropped by the court.
Menendez doesn't have to be nominated as well. He will just enter his state's democratic party primary and will just win in a landslide, probably also win the election.
And the dude is preparing his son for his spot. He's a political animal. He's not at all "done for."

Menendez is also not the only one the lobbies have, none at all. This cheering will turn to frowns if Pallone or Van Hollen replaces him in 3 months. Menendez is only a symptom, not the cause. He's not a rogue agent flying under the radar.

1. he won’t win as majority of democratic voters from NJ are calling on him to resign

2. this is bigger than the 2018 case as he has been directly indicted by the DOJ meaning he will be found guilty with a high probability

3. the democratic leadership will pressure him to resign immediately as they will have to show a clear anti-corruption stance due to the circumstances with Trump and the Supreme Court. Mendenez not resigning will be nothing but ammunition for the Republicans to pummel the Democrats with in the elections. You can be sure that Biden himself will be calling him soon.

4. he might try to hold onto his seat but that will buy him a couple weeks at best before the pressure gets to high.

5. with this his sons chances to ever hold influential office are gone as he will be forever tied to his father’s corruption


6. Pallone is a rep and as such holds no real power and can not be seated on a senate committee. Van Hollen could be yes but there other Senators who have seniority over him.

7. better even yet his fascist gift „wife“ is implicated in this whole case :)

Getting too off topic though. This is better suited for the foreign policy thread I think.
 

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I think if US sell F-16 to us

Only mean our replacement is nearly success.

I dont think that is only one single lawmaker doing the bad thing.
 

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Nope. Their biggest weapon is Biden. And Biden also corrupt. Trump was very well avare that fact.
Last time our leaders believed Trump could help us for F35 or F16V,but he couldnt.

By now how can a lawmaker change anything?
 

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Last time our leaders believed Trump could help us for F35 or F16V,but he couldnt.

By now how can a lawmaker change anything?
I have no expectations from the USA regarding F35, F16V or even F110 engines. I'm actually surprised at the people who have expectations. Not one Trump, I think the situation would not change even if the entire Senate of USA consisted of the Trump family!
 

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I have no expectations from the USA regarding F35, F16V or even F110 engines. I'm actually surprised at the people who have expectations. Not one Trump, I think the situation would not change even if the entire Senate of USA consisted of the Trump family!
I dont know why they still trust the anglo saxons after 100+ years since the battleships we ordered had been seized.
 

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This is the 3rd or 4th corruption scandal of Menendez. Also the second time he's being tried for corruption, first one was in 2018 and it was dropped by the court.
Menendez doesn't have to be nominated as well. He will just enter his state's democratic party primary and will just win in a landslide, probably also win the election.
And the dude is preparing his son for his spot. He's a political animal. He's not at all "done for."

Menendez is also not the only one the lobbies have, none at all. This cheering will turn to frowns if Pallone or Van Hollen replaces him in 3 months. Menendez is only a symptom, not the cause. He's not a rogue agent flying under the radar.
I do see where you're coming at. I also share your concerns of Pallone or Van Hollen replacing him.

But if a federal prosecutor has pulled out the receipts (like below), you might as well stick a fork in him, because HE'S DONE!
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I dont know why they still trust the anglo saxons after 100+ years since the battleships we ordered had been seized.
Each situation is evaluated on its own terms. Generalizations should not be made. For example, I think the real crime of the British was not that they confiscated the ships they sold when the war broke out. In war you need every ship.

The real problem with the British was something else. For example, the guns of the ships they sold before the war were out of adjustment. The ships' steam boilers were not resistant to high steam pressure. So they were selling defective ships.
 

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Each situation is evaluated on its own terms. Generalizations should not be made. For example, I think the real crime of the British was not that they confiscated the ships they sold when the war broke out. In war you need every ship.

The real problem with the British was something else. For example, the guns of the ships they sold before the war were out of adjustment. The ships' steam boilers were not resistant to high steam pressure. So they were selling defective ships.
They even sold us a defective bridge.
 
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