TR Turkish Air Force News & Discussion

[Yasar]

Production of 128 F-16 block 70/72 orders from Bahrain, Slovakia, Morocco, Bulgaria and Taiwan was expected to be completed by 2026. However, Lockheed Martin announced that the current program was delayed for 1 more year due to Covid-19.

COVID supply chain woes add yearlong delay to first F-16 rollout at new facility - Breaking Defense

The first F-16 produced in Greenville, S.C., won't be ready to begin flying until late 2022, said Greg Ulmer, Lockheed's vice president of aeronautics.

breakingdefense.com

Turkey's orders for the F-16V will not start production before 2027. Meanwhile, it seems likely that the COVID-19 outbreak will further occupy the production line. TAI has no place to produce new F-16s. The facilities are not sufficient. So don't get your hopes up, folks.

I had mentioned the issue of the orders in hand and the delay of production in LM for our prospective F16-V70 orders due to their busy production line. I was hoping Tusas production could hurry this process. If this is not possible and I am sure our guys knew all this; I wonder why they asked for this modernisation and 40new planes?
OK 40 plane production can be delayed. But modernisation, surely, could go ahead. Especially if Tusas is involved.

 

[Stuka]

Production of 128 F-16 block 70/72 orders from Bahrain, Slovakia, Morocco, Bulgaria and Taiwan was expected to be completed by 2026. However, Lockheed Martin announced that the current program was delayed for 1 more year due to Covid-19.

COVID supply chain woes add yearlong delay to first F-16 rollout at new facility - Breaking Defense

The first F-16 produced in Greenville, S.C., won't be ready to begin flying until late 2022, said Greg Ulmer, Lockheed's vice president of aeronautics.

breakingdefense.com

Turkey's orders for the F-16V will not start production before 2027. Meanwhile, it seems likely that the COVID-19 outbreak will further occupy the production line. TAI has no place to produce new F-16s. The facilities are not sufficient. So don't get your hopes up, folks.

I have been saying that for months now.
The F16 B70 is only being built in Greenville, South Carolina.

Additional News from 20.01.2022.

TAIWAN might be prioritized and that would push the other Orders further back. (Bahrain, Slovakia and Bulgaria. Morocco)

"The United States is looking for ways to potentially accelerate delivery of Taiwan's next generation of new-build F-16 fighter jets, U.S. officials said, bolstering the Taiwanese air force's ability to respond to what Washington and Taipei see as increasing intimidation by China's military."

Exclusive-U.S. seeks way to speed delivery of new fighter jets to Taiwan

By Phil Stewart, Idrees Ali and Yimou Lee WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is looking for ways to potentially accelerate delivery of Taiwan's next generation of new-build F-16 fighter jets, U.S. officials said, bolstering the Taiwanese air force's ability to respond to what Washington...

www.swissinfo.ch

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Production of 128 F-16 block 70/72 orders from Bahrain, Slovakia, Morocco, Bulgaria and Taiwan was expected to be completed by 2026. However, Lockheed Martin announced that the current program was delayed for 1 more year due to Covid-19.

COVID supply chain woes add yearlong delay to first F-16 rollout at new facility - Breaking Defense

The first F-16 produced in Greenville, S.C., won't be ready to begin flying until late 2022, said Greg Ulmer, Lockheed's vice president of aeronautics.

breakingdefense.com

Turkey's orders for the F-16V will not start production before 2027. Meanwhile, it seems likely that the COVID-19 outbreak will further occupy the production line. TAI has no place to produce new F-16s. The facilities are not sufficient. So don't get your hopes up, folks.

Where u get this infro?!
In 2027 Turkey will produce its aircrafts and dont need f16 .
Aslo F16 is producing USA not belgium .
USA if they want can produce 100 aircraft / month .
I hope first batch of F16 will be ready in 2023 .
Does Turkey and USA make a deal about f16 when and how much will cost ?!

 

[Fairon]

Where u get this infro?!
In 2027 Turkey will produce its aircrafts and dont need f16 .

We most likely won't. Not at least the volume that we don't need F16's. Replacing our fleet will take long time even after we started serial production.

Aslo F16 is producing USA not belgium .
USA if they want can produce 100 aircraft / month .

Why would they want it? They are not in any rush and there is no reason for them.

I hope first batch of F16 will be ready in 2023 .

Most likely it won't.

Does Turkey and USA make a deal about f16 when and how much will cost ?!

As far as we know, not yet.

 

[Turko]

Then ask for second hand F16s with upgrade kits. Could USAF inventory supply used 100 F16 C block ?

 

[Akritas]

Greeks were always look dogfight!! while TurAf pilots wouldn't even doing manevuers against them In a real AA combat those mirages will hit the ground before seeing the F16.

What I can say pilots don't give a shit against greek pilots tailing them because they know they don't have the balls to fire a missile at them in these years

You make my day with such as comments.

 

[Manomed]

You make my day with such as comments.

We are literally going thru your so called airspace everday what is your coward pilots doing? even our drones are breaching your air space pathetic

 

[Akritas]

We are literally going thru your so called airspace everday what is your coward pilots doing? even our drones are breaching your air space pathetic

So the Turks are violated the Geek air space.
Thank you for admitting that Turkey is the troublemaker of the region.

 

[Manomed]

So the Turks are violated the Geek air space.
Thank you for admitting that Turkey is the troublemaker of the region.

I admit turks are are chads of the region while you are the beta of it

 

[TheInsider]

I have been saying that for months now.
The F16 B70 is only being built in Greenville, South Carolina.

Additional News from 20.01.2022.

TAIWAN might be prioritized and that would push the other Orders further back. (Bahrain, Slovakia and Bulgaria. Morocco)

"The United States is looking for ways to potentially accelerate delivery of Taiwan's next generation of new-build F-16 fighter jets, U.S. officials said, bolstering the Taiwanese air force's ability to respond to what Washington and Taipei see as increasing intimidation by China's military."

Exclusive-U.S. seeks way to speed delivery of new fighter jets to Taiwan

By Phil Stewart, Idrees Ali and Yimou Lee WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is looking for ways to potentially accelerate delivery of Taiwan's next generation of new-build F-16 fighter jets, U.S. officials said, bolstering the Taiwanese air force's ability to respond to what Washington...

www.swissinfo.ch

We are trying to be super smart here with the Block 70 procurement and modernization offer. We are pushing the hand of the US. If the US side doesn't accept our offer or congress stops the deal we will have the moral upper hand. We did everything we could now we will implement our solution to our F-16s without any restrictions. If the US accepts our offer no new F-16s can be delivered before 2027 unless the US is willing to produce F-16s in TAI facilities. IMHO probably nothing will come out of this deal and we will probably widen the scope of Özgür project from block 30&40 to 50 and 50+. Rather than getting a 4.5th gen fighter in 2027 I will order 100 more supersonic Mius from Baykar.

 

[Bogeyman]

ASELSAN - Atlas Digital Map System​

 

[Brokengineer]

We are trying to be super smart here with the Block 70 procurement and modernization offer. We are pushing the hand of the US. If the US side doesn't accept our offer or congress stops the deal we will have the moral upper hand. We did everything we could now we will implement our solution to our F-16s without any restrictions. If the US accepts our offer no new F-16s can be delivered before 2027 unless the US is willing to produce F-16s in TAI facilities. IMHO probably nothing will come out of this deal and we will probably widen the scope of Özgür project from block 30&40 to 50 and 50+. Rather than getting a 4.5th gen fighter in 2027 I will order 100 more supersonic Mius from Baykar.

Even subsonic ones that are capable enough of m0.8, around 6 to 8 hardpoints with aam and air to ground munitions (1500kg payload) could be damn deterrent against any adversary. 100 of them with awacs and sam suppport would make them deadly swarms of drones.

 

[Akritas]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1484956856493785089

 

[Zafer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1484956856493785089

We need more of these guys to help boost our defense industry.

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1484956856493785089

Same asshole backed by the Armenian and Greek lobby.

I say this here Greece and Armenia are irrelevant.

If usa wants to alienate a strategic ally they can go be friends with two useless countries

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1485193765879005195

Only thing these dumbasses have achieved is making us look good with their shitty cringy propaganda.

 

[TheInsider]

Even subsonic ones that are capable enough of m0.8, around 6 to 8 hardpoints with aam and air to ground munitions (1500kg payload) could be damn deterrent against any adversary. 100 of them with awacs and sam suppport would make them deadly swarms of drones.

Subsonic and Supersonic Mius projects are running in parallel. We will see the first flight of Mius in 2023 and probably by 2025 Mius will achieve full operational capability. There is also a twin-engine Mius-C project but info about that is rather low and it probably has a different timeline than the Mius-A and Mius-B. Mius-C will probably have a 10 ton MTOW.

 

[TheInsider]

This is how the US is losing great power competition we are being witnesses to history. Of course, none of those lobbies care what happens to the US and average US citizen. They only try to further their own interest against the interests of the US.

 

[Ryder]

This is how the US is losing great power competition we are being witnesses to history. Of course, none of those lobbies care what happens to the US and average US citizen. They only try to further their own interest against the interests of the US.

Usa is the one who laid their bed they can ally with Greece, Armenia and the Terrorist Ypg against China and Russia.

 

[Timuçin]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1484956856493785089

I wonder how many times did greeks cried to US about this lmao