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Why those aircrafts needs retofitted when those transport aircraft are modern just few years old?5th retrofitted A400M is delivered to HvKK.
What did they change to aircraft?
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Why those aircrafts needs retofitted when those transport aircraft are modern just few years old?5th retrofitted A400M is delivered to HvKK.
I asked the same question few months back, under the quoted message above. Last A400M Airbus delivered to us isn’t set for the retrofit so I’m thinking it’s in relation to a new feature or a change. Surprisingly no info on any Turkish sources regarding what it entails and absolutely no mention of a retrofit in any English language sources. Literally have no idea.Why those aircrafts needs retofitted when those transport aircraft are modern just few years old?
What did they change to aircraft?
Same here. Did a lot of search and all I got was retrofit news but no description of what the ”retrofit” contains. One military site said something like “hardware and software“ retrofit. It‘s still a vague description and couldn’t confirm it anywhere else.I asked the same question few months back, under the quoted message above. Last A400M Airbus delivered to us isn’t set for the retrofit so I’m thinking it’s in relation to a new feature or a change. Surprisingly no info on any Turkish sources regarding what it entails and absolutely no mention of a retrofit in any English language sources. Literally have no idea.
It might be DIRCM.Why those aircrafts needs retofitted when those transport aircraft are modern just few years old?
What did they change to aircraft?
Cool. Ok, read the link you provided but can’t see anything regarding the manufacturer of DIRCM. Do we know who made it?It might be DIRCM.
TAI installs missile destroyer on A400M aircraft
Turkish Aerospace Industries has built and integrated a directional infrared countermeasure system for the A400M multinational heavy transport aircraft, the company announced.www.defensenews.com
Not sure, German A400's using Elbit DIRCM. Spain uses DRICM from Indra. There is also a counter measure from Leonardo/Thales. Maybe Turkey also uses Spanish one but note sure tbh.Cool. Ok, read the link you provided but can’t see anything regarding the manufacturer of DIRCM. Do we know who made it?
There are other birds in the sky other than Greek F-35s. Comparatively low cost manned platforms will be here for years to come.I see Hurjet as a trainer for KAAN nothing more. Considering it is not stealthy at all just like F-16. We have stealthy ANKA III and KAAN in a 6th gen configuration for contested airspace in Aegean. And Akinci for cheap yet formidable surveillance and ground attack roles with SDBs in Syria and Iraq which are currently not contested airspaces. I fail to see how Hurjet, F-16, Akinci or even Kizilelma could possibly survive against Greek F-35s.
Not to mention, with all the delays and reduced production estimates (albeit still close to 100) of F-35, we're probably going to have many more Anka-3 and/or Kızılelma, powered by TF-6000 before they get their handful of F-35s.There are other birds in the sky other than Greek F-35s. Comparatively low cost manned platforms will be here for years to come.
Fyi 156 is the target production rate for 2023. The year end number was 142 for 2021. And production lines are technically still in LRIP.Not to mention, with all the delays and reduced production estimates (albeit still close to 100) of F-35, we're probably going to have many more Anka-3 and/or Kızılelma, powered by TF-6000 before they get their handful of F-35s.
Projections were adjusted below 100 for 2023, that 156 figure is their target, which they will not meet this year. And it *does* matter how many Anka-3 or Kızıelma we have because Greece is not going to get 100 F-35s. And they are not even going to get all of their F-35s all at once. So, it matters a lot if we can get something with decent stealth characteristics in meaningful numbers before then.Fyi 156 is the target production rate for 2023. The year end number was 142 for 2021. And production lines are technically still in LRIP.
It doesn't matter how many anka3 or Kızılelma you have against f35.
Fyi 156 is the target production rate for 2023. The year end number was 142 for 2021. And production lines are technically still in LRIP.
It doesn't matter how many anka3 or Kızılelma you have against f35.
Sorry, my bad. F35 production rate will actually go even lower. Lockmart is nowhere near as good as TUSAŞ when it comes to production line optimization.Projections were adjusted below 100 for 2023, that 156 figure is their target, which they will not meet this year. And it *does* matter how many Anka-3 or Kızıelma we have because Greece is not going to get 100 F-35s. And they are not even going to get all of their F-35s all at once. So, it matters a lot if we can get something with decent stealth characteristics in meaningful numbers before then.
And while it is one of the best fighters out there, it is not god. A dozen or so F-35s are not going to win a hypothetical war people, calm the fuck down.
'Lockheed Martin has had to delay again the delivery of Technology Refresh 3 (TR-3)-standard F-35 Lightning II combat aircraft to international customers as it looks to finalise software developments.Sorry, my bad. F35 production rate will actually go even lower. Lockmart is nowhere near as good as TUSAŞ when it comes to production line optimization.
Guys, if you want to believe that Lockmart's temporary delays will cause Greece get their F35s after TEI/Tusas/Baykar will test and manufacture TF6000/Anka3/Kizilelma in high numbers, believe it. But I would like to remind you that:'Lockheed Martin has had to delay again the delivery of Technology Refresh 3 (TR-3)-standard F-35 Lightning II combat aircraft to international customers as it looks to finalise software developments.
The manufacturer announced the move on 6 September, saying that TR-2 configuration aircraft will continue to be delivered as planned.'
Source: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/...-35-deliveries-further-because-of-tr-3-issues
It sounds more like development delays to me.
First of all, you need to pipe down on the attitude lad and work on your reading comprehension because I didn't say any of what your ridiculous comment suggests. You gave false information, I corrected you, that's it.Sorry, my bad. F35 production rate will actually go even lower. Lockmart is nowhere near as good as TUSAŞ when it comes to production line optimization.
Also, Anka and Kızılelma can saturate airspace and combine their radars to beat f35. Our systems are the best in the world.
Even US Air Force is considering to buy f16s for cost efficiency...I am against buying new F-16s, a bit modernizing what we have is one thing but they are not good investments for the future IMHO. They have one of the biggest RCS among NATO 4th gen jet fighters. 4 times the Rafale and Eurofighter.
I would rather lower the political tensions until we have enough KAANs as mini AWACS command centers with BURFIS, each controlling several American Raider level perfected stealth ANKA-3s as missile mules from 50 km behind. Our current concept is similar, it relies on E-7ts and F-16s, alas they would be easy prey for Greece, considering very long range of Meteor. Both for air superiority and deep strike operations I believe this combination could best Greek, Israeli etc. F-35s. IF stealth part is done right.
And Akinci with Murad AESA (SAR) for peacetime routine anti terror, mobile air radar patrolling operations. I am also very skeptical about Kizilelma AI efforts. Kizilelma doesn't have 360 sensors to be aware of it's surroundings. And 360 AESA isn't something it's power plant can handle. Perhaps 3D DAS with flawless AI coding could be good enough to avoid incoming meteors but I highly doubt that.
I think America is working on a similar concept called loyal-wingman. Cheap sacrificial yet stealthy drones go first in swarms and keep manned fighter jet as far as possible from the actual fight.
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This would be the first time it came out that Turkey had an official request of EF-2000s.Erdogan will probably ask Scholz at a meeting in Berlin on Friday to lift a block on the sale of the fighter planes he needs to refresh an aging airforce, according to Turkish officials familiar with the matter.