TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Saithan]

Engines of ANKA-3 are produced by TEI? I really wonder.

What do you think guys : ANKA-3 with BVR A2A missiles wouldn't be stealth LOETERING air defense system?

With the help of Datalink from ground radars , own AESA radar, passive Sensors, ANKA-3 little bit could cover Turkish airspace.

Its maximum altitude is 40,000 feet, and can last 10 hours at 30,000 feet, its cruise speed is 250 knots (288 mph) with a top speed of 425 knots (489 mph).

Such platform could be nightmare of enemy's fighters.

Depends, do we have smart buoy network in place in Mavi Vatan? Some could be bigger or placed on some rocks as forward positions with SR radar for early warning or passive relay. Anything in an established network that catches on something smelly could be useful.

if a forward position sniffs out an enemy plane we could have great benefit of redirecting patrol duty to that area whilst 2-3 others akinci go airborne while Hürjet or Kaan is prepped.

I’m not sure if any pilot want to play how-many-gforce-can-you-handle with ucavs. But as you probably can see they will be relying on stealth to avoid detection, and that is the biggest factor imo.

That we need to prep for.

 

[Afif]

Afaik, none of flying wing UAVs in ANKA III class has it own AESA sensor. Because there is simply not enough space to fit it in.

 

[UkroTurk]

, do we have smart buoy network in place in Mavi Vatan?

İ meant over mainland not offshore duties . ANKA-3 could reduce work hours of F-16s.

However 7/24 rotating several ANKA-3s over Egean shores would be lethal and surprising. İnstalling several AESA into ANKA-3 is not a big deal. For instance On wings .

Still i haven't got the answer, currently TEI can produce engines of ANKA-3? Which engines are supposed for ANKA-3?

 

[Baryshx]

İ meant over mainland not offshore duties . ANKA-3 could reduce work hours of F-16s.

However 7/24 rotating several ANKA-3s over Egean shores would be lethal and surprising. İnstalling several AESA into ANKA-3 is not a big deal. For instance On wings .

Still i haven't got the answer, currently TEI can produce engines of ANKA-3? Which engines are supposed for ANKA-3?

I remember it was called the Ukrainian engine. Anyway, we don't have much choice.

 

[Yasar_TR]

İ meant over mainland not offshore duties . ANKA-3 could reduce work hours of F-16s.

However 7/24 rotating several ANKA-3s over Egean shores would be lethal and surprising. İnstalling several AESA into ANKA-3 is not a big deal. For instance On wings .

Still i haven't got the answer, currently TEI can produce engines of ANKA-3? Which engines are supposed for ANKA-3?

TF6000 being built by TEI as a 5th generation engine is suitable and most likely meant for Anka3.

There seems to be plenty of space for Aesa radar T/R modules placement if it is so willed.

Until TF6000 is ready an engine like the one on KE, most likely Ukranian (I had rather see an RR Adour on it though) will be powering Anka3.

 

[Samba]

AFAIR the engine was faulty and due to the damage inflicted on Sich motor company facilities, a replacement was not expected anytime soon.

 

[UkroTurk]

TF6000 being built by TEI as a 5th generation engine is suitable and most likely meant for Anka3.

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There seems to be plenty of space for Aesa radar T/R modules placement if it is so willed.

Until TF6000 is ready an engine like the one on KE, most likely Ukranian (I had rather see an RR Adour on it though) will be powering Anka3.

İt seems TF6000 precious for us currently.
I am looking forward to seeing TF6000.

 

[boredaf]

İnstalling several AESA into ANKA-3 is not a big deal.

AESA radars on the planes (or drone in this instance) is not the same thing as slapping AESA plates on something like Gökdeniz for example. If it was that easy we would've plastered our F-16s with them and called it a day.

We don't know how much power Anka-3 will be able to generate, whether it will be able to support Murad or not. It is not mentioned on Tusaş' website and I can't remember it being mentioned. Let's just see it fly first before getting ahead of ourselves, having a flying wing drone is an enormous achievement by itself already.

 

[Strong AI]

We don't know how much power Anka-3 will be able to generate, whether it will be able to support Murad or not. It is not mentioned on Tusaş' website and I can't remember it being mentioned.

- There will be a version with TOYGUN and AESA radar

 

[Strong AI]

Let us assume that we have a UCAV with integrated KARAT, TOYGUN, IRIS sensors and carries IIR guided missiles.
Can this UCAV shoot down head on incoming BVR missiles?

 

[Nutuk]

Let us assume that we have a UCAV with integrated KARAT, TOYGUN, IRIS sensors and carries IIR guided missiles.
Can this UCAV shoot down head on incoming BVR missiles?

Depends on the missile, if you have a dedicated counter missile than why not

 

[Yasar_TR]

Let us assume that we have a UCAV with integrated KARAT, TOYGUN, IRIS sensors and carries IIR guided missiles.
Can this UCAV shoot down head on incoming BVR missiles?

TOYGUN has been designed by Aselsan as an Electro-Optical-Targeting-System for the MMU. It can detect passively any threats against the plane and has been specifically designed for a 5th generation aircraft.

KARAT is an Infra-Red-Search&Track system again designed for MMU. Similar to the one in F35 and will be in front, under the nose of the aircraft.

IRIS-100 is an early warning system for incoming threats.

These are all equipments and systems to add to the survivability of the MMU and to enable it to attack air and ground targets.

To fit them on a UCAV like KE should logically impart the same capabilities to the UCAV too. Provided you also have the right ammunition to achieve the end result.

 

[Strong AI]

KARAT has been designed by Aselsan as an Electro-Optical-Targeting-System for the MMU. It can detect passively any threats against the plane and has been specifically designed for a 5th generation aircraft.

Toygun is an Infra-Red-Search&Track system again designed for MMU. Similar to the one in F35 and will be in front, under the nose of the aircraft.

IRIS-100 is an early warning system for incoming threats.

These are all equipments and systems to add to the survivability of the MMU and to enable it to attack air and ground targets.

To fit them on a UCAV like KE should logically impart the same capabilities to the UCAV too. Provided you also have the right ammunition to achieve the end result.

Could a KAAN equipped with those sensors, send the necessary information to its loyal wingman, which is not equipped with those sensors? So could the loyal wingman of KAAN act as a IIR guided missile carrier platform, only to shoot down BVR missiles?

 

[Afif]

KARAT has been designed by Aselsan as an Electro-Optical-Targeting-System for the MMU. It can detect passively any threats against the plane and has been specifically designed for a 5th generation aircraft.

Toygun is an Infra-Red-Search&Track system again designed for MMU. Similar to the one in F35 and will be in front, under the nose of the aircraft.

Isn't Toygun the Electro optical Targeting system and KARAT is the IRST?

 

[Afif]

Could a KAAN equipped with those sensors, send the necessary information to its loyal wingman, which is not equipped with those sensors? So could the loyal wingman of KAAN act as a IIR guided missile carrier platform, only to shoot down BVR missiles?

That is US Air Force's one of the proposed CCA (collaborative combat aircraft) concept. You can get an idea how MUM-T may look like.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Isn't Toygun the Electro optical Targeting system and KARAT is the IRST?

Well spotted!
corrected. Thanks.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Could a KAAN equipped with those sensors, send the necessary information to its loyal wingman, which is not equipped with those sensors? So could the loyal wingman of KAAN act as a IIR guided missile carrier platform, only to shoot down BVR missiles?

That is one of the prerequisite jobs of KAAN in the years to come.
It has to be the distributor of jobs and a conductor/director of various swarms/UCAVs to inflict maximum damage to targets.
Turkish war doctrine for the future is based on UCAVs and drones being managed and directed by a plane like KAAN in the air and a ship, directing ULAQ type unmanned sea platforms in a similar manner.

Only a few days ago the chief engineer of Tusas was explaining how they have been considering and designing to use the back seat of Hurjet as the director and controller of drones.

 

[uçuyorum]

That is one of the prerequisite jobs of KAAN in the years to come.
It has to be the distributor of jobs and a conductor/director of various swarms/UCAVs to inflict maximum damage to targets.
Turkish war doctrine for the future is based on UCAVs and drones being managed and directed by a plane like KAAN in the air and a ship, directing ULAQ type unmanned sea platforms in a similar manner.

Only a few days ago the chief engineer of Tusas was explaining how they have been considering and designing to use the back seat of Hurjet as the director and controller of drones.

I also wish they focused on reducing the actual job pilot does to fly the plane so the sole pilot can focus on mission systems rather than trying to maneuver but the vision of air forces don't seem to follow this logic. I also find the actual need for using helmet to direct short range missiles to be weird, when you have a system like das why can't sensors automatically recognize and track the target for instance?

 

[Radko]

I also wish they focused on reducing the actual job pilot does to fly the plane so the sole pilot can focus on mission systems rather than trying to maneuver but the vision of air forces don't seem to follow this logic. I also find the actual need for using helmet to direct short range missiles to be weird, when you have a system like das why can't sensors automatically recognize and track the target for instance?

they do track them, you dont always have to look to the target

 

[what]

That is US Air Force's one of the proposed CCA (collaborative combat aircraft) concept. You can get an idea how MUM-T may look like.

Nice concept, modularity is a trend among many defence developments. Hope our people at TAI and Baykar have that in mind too.