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All systems hav a 'backdoor'. Remember 'Falkland war' and Exocet issue.
Just seeing this. What Exocet issue? Argentina used every Exocet they had available and depleted their miniscule stocks of ship and air launched Exocets and used them to great effect. We have 6 or 8(last two missiles that missed sometimes being attributed to Gabriels from Israel) Exocet launches from Argentina with 4 hits and 2 misses, and Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor being sunk as a result. That's a 66% hit conversion and 50% kill rate. For a 70s missile system with tubes for a radio, that's perfect. I wish Harpoons were just as successful in the same 1980s.

Can we please rest this tale of Argentinian Exocets? Multiple people over the years have wrote about the real history in Turkish, it's really sad that same old easily proven myths still persisting.
 

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for a forum meant to be about discussing defense topics, the turkish posters here are way, way too into boomer dayı conspiracy theories. so childish. it's not even just one or two dudes either. quality of discussion around here is much lower than I thought it'd be..

a guy was around posting about how turkish f16s have backdoors and shit lmao.

Don't be discouraged. There are some really knowledgeable and professional people around here. Stick around and you will find them.
 

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Towards the end of the article, the relevant topic is explained under the title "Malvinas".

Just seeing this. What Exocet issue? Argentina used every Exocet they had available and depleted their miniscule stocks of ship and air launched Exocets and used them to great effect. We have 6 or 8(last two missiles that missed sometimes being attributed to Gabriels from Israel) Exocet launches from Argentina with 4 hits and 2 misses, and Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor being sunk as a result. That's a 66% hit conversion and 50% kill rate. For a 70s missile system with tubes for a radio, that's perfect. I wish Harpoons were just as successful in the same 1980s.

Can we please rest this tale of Argentinian Exocets? Multiple people over the years have wrote about the real history in Turkish, it's really sad that same old easily proven myths still persisting.
I gave a link on the subject.
 

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When America says Russian systems have kill switches or Chinese 5G, routers, chips etc. are not to be trusted these western equipment fanatics believe that instantly but not the other way around even when they confess to it. It is like talking to bunch of love struck teens with love googles that refuse to see what is right in front of their eyes. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Let's not kid ourselves.... if we export KAAN or anything complex like an air defense system will have backdoors in both hardware & software.
No country in the world would not want to use that, as a country you always have the risk that the weapons will be passed on or turned against you.
 

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I gave a link on the subject.
I read that years ago, doesn't say much about Exocets. I'll take mission logs from both Argentinians and Brits over "he did this", "she did that". We have days, dates and effects of the missiles visible on the sea in the form of hulking wrecks. Falklands War lasted a little less than 2 months. War started at beginning of April. Sheffield was hit on May 4, Atlantic Conveyor was hit on May 25. These theories all say that Exocet was so super duper effective that Brits ran to the French and forced them to give "source codes" of the missiles so they could stop them and after this French treachery, Exocets were no longer a cause of concern. They do so because they don't know how to read calendars.

This theory requires you to believe that Brits got the necessary info and afterwards Exocets were as good as useless against British ships. This is of course wrong, because from reading through historic records, we know that by June Argentinians were already out of air launched Exocets. They had few ship borne launchers but due to British air superiority and submarines, they were near unable to bring out their ships. So they ingeniously removed few ship borne launchers and used them as fixed positions on land. Exocet that hit Glamorgan on June 12 was from such battery. 2 days later, Argentinian force on the islands would surrender and war would end on June 14. The theory that French giving codes or information about the Exocets leading to Brits nullifying the Exocet threat doesn't hold water, because in the last days of the war, they were still struck by Exocets. They had less than 15-20 missiles. And as said above, when they used them, they used them to great effect, more than you can ask from any weapon system is such heavy EW presence and without good radars. Argentinians were using converted naval radars on C-130s to give themselves an advantage.

Brits of course did all they could to alleviate the threat. We know that MI6 were employed to stop Argentina and neighbours like Peru from getting more Exocets after the war. They mostly failed, as Argentina would later get their new aircraft from France and new Meko frigates and submarines from Germany.
 

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It is about the visit of the Turkish Minister of National Defense to the UK 2 days ago;

When asked whether the Eurofighter issue was on the agenda during the visit of Yaşar Güler, Minister of National Defense, to the UK, ministry sources said: "Our Minister visited the UK upon an official invitation. During this visit, views were exchanged on bilateral and regional defense and security issues. One of the agenda items during this visit was the Eurofighter issue. The positive approach of Germany, one of the Eurofighter consortium countries, on this issue is expected. Technical discussions continue with the representatives of the UK and the manufacturer companies."

 
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Just seeing this. What Exocet issue? Argentina used every Exocet they had available and depleted their miniscule stocks of ship and air launched Exocets and used them to great effect. We have 6 or 8(last two missiles that missed sometimes being attributed to Gabriels from Israel) Exocet launches from Argentina with 4 hits and 2 misses, and Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor being sunk as a result. That's a 66% hit conversion and 50% kill rate. For a 70s missile system with tubes for a radio, that's perfect. I wish Harpoons were just as successful in the same 1980s.

Can we please rest this tale of Argentinian Exocets? Multiple people over the years have wrote about the real history in Turkish, it's really sad that same old easily proven myths still persisting.
I cant confirm the history of Exocet in Falkland war. It was shown in a reliable german documentary.
 

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Can we stop derailing the thread please :) People are free to believe whatever they want.

Personally I find it interesting that 2 missiles would misfire, and I will not rule out that the US drone could have EW capability that would enable "IFF misfire", but that is due to mistrust.

I recall reading an article a few years back about how Military communication device from Swiss, that TSK used, had a backdoor. So I won't rule out anything. If that means we're pushing to develop our own products, that's good enough for me.
 

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Türkiye conducts successful tests of new glide bombs

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Türkiye’s leading defense firm, Aselsan, recently completed successful tests of its latest innovation – the TOLUN GPS/INS guided munition carried on the Smart Pneumatic Quad Rack (SADAK-4T).

 

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I think the key statement in this post is that 'for the first time our F-16s have refueled with the A330 MRTT'. I hope we will see hundreds more, but of course not with a French Air Force plane.
 

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The UH-1H type military helicopter, which took off from Izmir Çiğli 2nd Main Jet Base, made a forced landing in an empty land in Bademler village of Urla district. One personnel was injured during landing. An investigation has been launched into the accident.
 
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