TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[TheInsider]

Unfortunately, big strings are attached to the Eurofighter, F-16, and possible F-35 deal...
The first one is the NATO bid of South Cyprus.
The second one is the Sea of Islands and East Med issues (as a bonus, the rights of the Greek Patriarchate will be increased)
The third one is the PKK terror state.

 

[YeşilVatan]

We're shafted again. I'm on the verge of posting hardcore Selahattin Özdemir songs. This is to much suffering. I didn't love a prostitute to grieve tihs much, I just love my country.

Let me tell you what will happen: Americans will go back on their words. Again. Because they think we are subhumans and promises made to Turks are esentially optional. Of three things we actually need from Americans, we will not get even one. Not in the timeframe where it matters.

We will not get upgrade kits. But this was actually the quickest way of upgrading our airforce. It makes sense on why they don't give us that: Americans are essentially playing a delaying game. For what? I have some scary theories about that.

We will not get new planes before it is too late. Maybe after 2032. That's why they just take us on a trip through the swamp of DC bureucracy. Delaying game.

We will not get F-35s. It's written into US law. No one in US can send F-35s without spending serious political capital or complete Turkish capitulation on god knows what. They just hold it as an option like a $10 whore soliciting from a 80 IQ village idiot who she'll never sleep with. Delaying game.

I wish I am wrong. But I'm not.

Edit: This is my opinion which I desperately want to be proven wrong about.

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861496066333344023

Another source about the same F35 news.

Please give source when making important statements even if they are logically derived statements. Otherwise state that it is your opinion.

 

[Sanchez]

(That leaves the question that why getting the new F16V's at all though? Maybe to using American weapons or just part of an agreement to getting approval for our own modernization?)

Interesting development nevertheless.

Air force needs more aircraft. This is the lowest number of fighters they've had for the last 50 or 60 years.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Unfortunately, big strings are attached to the Eurofighter, F-16, and possible F-35 deal...
The first one is the NATO bid of South Cyprus.
The second one is the Sea of Islands and East Med issues (as a bonus, the rights of the Greek Patriarchate will be increased)
The third one is the PKK terror state.

Please add source. These are logical reasons. But you must provide source. Or make sure it is your personal opinions.

 

[Fairon]

Air force needs more aircraft. This is the lowest number of fighters they've had for the last 50 or 60 years.

Correct but we could've increased the F35 order instead.

Well, I seem to be combined news with F-16 sale and F35 possibility and wrote under the assumption that we are getting F35's. Considering it is just a posibility, not cancelling the F16V procurement without until we now we can get F35 made sense. Orders still may converted to F35's if we get an approval for it.(Or not. Depends how much Air Force wants to be rely on F35's. )

 

[uçuyorum]

Unfortunately, big strings are attached to the Eurofighter, F-16, and possible F-35 deal...
The first one is the NATO bid of South Cyprus.
The second one is the Sea of Islands and East Med issues (as a bonus, the rights of the Greek Patriarchate will be increased)
The third one is the PKK terror state.

What will the planes protect then?

 

[Sanchez]

Correct but we could've increased the F35 order instead.

Well, I seem to be combined news with F-16 sale and F35 possibility and wrote under the assumption that we are getting F35's. Considering it is just a posibility, not cancelling the F16V procurement without until we now we can get F35 made sense. Orders still may converted to F35's if we get an approval for it.(Or not. Depends how much Air Force wants to be rely on F35's. )

MoD's statements regarding the F-35s are in the air. There's nothing happening there for now. This is solely about the F-16s. F-16s that look like will be built in US, not Turkey.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The F-35 makes sense to buy, we don't have the possibility to develop a extra Aircraft for the navy in the next 10-15 years.
The TCG Anadolu is running virtually empty, and TCG Trakya and TCG Mugem are also planned. The Hürjet is not competitive as the only manned combat aircraft for the navy, it is inadequate compared to Rafaele & Co even if you also have drones like Kizilelma, Anka 3 and TB3.

 

[2033]

Our air force is in deep weakness. We have become an unpopular member of NATO as a result of the great stupidity in foreign policy in the last 10 years. At times we have been close to Russia and have pursued a hypocritical policy. Russia has nothing to give us except natural gas. We are paying the price of unnecessary rapprochement with Russia by weakening our air force.

I think the US will prolong the F-35 process and stall us instead of saying "no".

I am sure none of the Nato leaders trust Erdogan in any way. I don't think it is possible to restore trust.

 

[what]

And here we go again with the F35 discussions
If we get the chance, we should still buy 50-60 F35. At least enough F35B for our ACC and then some.