They are also aware that they need orders to keep the production lines and workers, because as it stands entire thing will collapse on its own around 2030. Germany digging in its heels isn't even helping Germany here and actively hurting every other country in EF production.
Yes, there is also this issue. In fact, what you have underlined is probably a more important factor than what I have written. So we can say that our hand is not weak actually. Turks can find jets, at worst they can go to some alternatives even if its combatant capacity is lower. But these factories cannot find a client like the TAF, believe me. What I mean is better understood when we compare the sortie/ year per platform rates of the air force. The Turks will use these planes to their limits, for decades... I think the defense ministry should be interested not only in the purchase of aircraft, but also in the ownership of the program. 13% is Spain's ownership of the program; it's a good percentage. Enough for the Turks giving another momentum to program and increase the profitability of these factories. If we can integrate our own systems and weapons into EFs in the future, this will not only enable the platform to achieve more flexible logistics, but also more manageable sustainment costs.
And 4th generation, or rather 4.5, planes are not going anywhere, any time soon. Unless something drastically changes, not even the US wants to completely use 5th gen all the time, their operational costs are hefty and nobody wants to put unnecessary hours on them by using them in a mission where a 4.5 gen would do the trick. So, not only we would keep these EF's but there is a chance that we might even buy more.
I think these generational distinctions are worthy of further discussion, and there are some gray areas. Geometry is OK, maybe there may be some problems in new gen propulsion systems, but even in the structural part, not to mention the tons of parameters marketed as the innovation of the fifth generation, such as electronics, combat, weapons and ammunition, machine-human communication, decision support systems and autonomy, sensor fusion, etc., I feel that what cannot be bring in 4th generation jets, is not discussed enough in defense forums among international defense enthusiasts.
Proliferation of SAM systems is an ongoing process. How would you like to buy 100 planes 100 million euro each in an environment where they would all be shot down by your enemy the moment they took off and approached your border?
I don't think that the British people have any particular interest in Turkiye's air force or any of yst armed forces. Most people would like a product which sustains jobs in the UK getting another customer. The UK government are certainly interested in BAE Systems getting more business. I have no idea what special defence relationship the UK has or is seeking to have with Turkiye beyond that it has with other NATO members. It may be that the UK is interested in a closer relationship.
1326 is one of two of UAE's ELINT/SIGINT platforms dubbed Project Dolphin. They are to be a class of two G6000s. they were being converted by UK based Marshall Aerospace. 1326 in 2019 before delivery:
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What gives us or small Hungary, the power to veto Sweden‘s entry to NATO ?
I believe that the multi-national agreement for Eurofighter included provision for a country refusing to supply the parts it makes. I believe that alternative production can be set up and the cost of that can be charged to the country refusing to supply. However, I imagine that setting up alternative component production would not be practical and would delay delivery of an order by several years.
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Or, those countries that are trying to blackmail Turkey into getting what they want are failing. Why is it on us that our supposed allies are fucking us over while selling weapons left and right and to countries that have done incomparably worse than us? The disrespect they, and you in this comment, show to Turkey is appalling. We are not some small country that doesn't really have any impact on NATO. Fuck Sweden, they shouldn't get anywhere near NATO until *after* we get our planes.This touches on the prospects of F-16 for Turkiye...
Turkey tells NATO that Sweden won't join by next week's meeting - sources
Turkey has informed NATO that ratification of Sweden's membership bid will not be completed in time to allow the country's accession ceremony at a meeting of alliance foreign ministers next week, two sources familiar with the matter said on Wednesday.www.reuters.com
As I have written elsewhere, I think it very unlikely that Turkiye will be allowed more F-16. Creating problems for NATO to include Sweden makes more F-16 even more unlikely.
Turkiye says it is now interested in buying Eurofighter. It hopes NATO members UK, Italy and Spain will push NATO member Germany to accept Turkiye as a customer yet appears to be trying hard to disaffect the countries whose help it wants. It looks like Turkiye is trying hard to rule itself out as far as F-16 and Typhoon are concerned... and, so far, is succeeding.
Well said. If it was up to me, I'd keep them out forever.
Have it your way. Let's see how this pans out.
