TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Kartal1]

Air Engineer Specialist Sergeant Ercan GUVEN is the identity of the martyr who lost his life during the crash of the NF-5 jet earlier in Konya. May Allah accept his martyrdom!

 

[Corvus]

This is the second F-5 crash in a short time if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe it's time to say goodbye to them?

 

[Ryder]

This is the second F-5 crash in a short time if I'm not mistaken.

Maybe it's time to say goodbye to them?

F5s and those F4 Phantoms are well passed their use by date.

 

[No Name]

F5s and those F4 Phantoms are well passed their use by date.

why not turn them into drones?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

why not turn them into drones?

they still can be crashed and killing people in land bro , we need just replace all of them with hürjet ,old trainers and those stars f5

 

[No Name]

they still can be crashed and killing people in land bro , we need just replace all of them with hürjet ,old trainers and those stars f5

I meant till Turkey's other projects are operational since it has become clear that it is too dangerous to have pilots fly them.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I meant till Turkey's other projects are operational since it has become clear that it is too dangerous to have pilots fly them.

Hürjet is ready just need to mass produce it , And we have T-38 Talon around 60 and cf-5 some 15 so we need 80 hürjets which can be produced for 2-3 years

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Hürjets will replace the F5s as trainers. But more interestingly, Kızılelmas will fill in the role of a light fighter in the Turkish airforce for the first time in a long time

Imagine an image of Kızılelmas lined up like this:

We often talk about layered air defences, but we never speak about a layered airforce. Perhaps because in recent decades, airforces have been streamlined to the point where a single type of multirole aircraft is expected to do everything.

When you think about it, the Kızılelma is the perfect replacement for the F5s original light fighter role... As light fighters are supposed to be cheaper and more expendable (no risk of losing a pilot in Kızılelmas case). Imagine Kızılelmas leading the charge with Kaans in the back, whilst Anka 3s take out ground targets.

 

[Sanchez]

Hürjet is ready just need to mass produce it , And we have T-38 Talon around 60 and cf-5 some 15 so we need 80 hürjets which can be produced for 2-3 years

I mean there still only exists a single flying prototype, it is by no means ready. And plans after 2025 is 2 aircraft a month per Kotil's words.

 

[boredaf]

I mean there still only exists a single flying prototype, it is by no means ready. And plans after 2025 is 2 aircraft a month per Kotil's words.

And only as a trainer. Light attack version doesn't even exist yet on anything but paper.

 

[boredaf]

Hürjets will replace the F5s as trainers. But more interestingly, Kızılelmas will fill in the role of a light fighter in the Turkish airforce for the first time in a long time

Imagine an image of Kızılelmas lined up like this:

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We often talk about layered air defences, but we never speak about a layered airforce. Perhaps because in recent decades, airforces have been streamlined to the point where a single type of multirole aircraft is expected to do everything.

When you think about it, the Kızılelma is the perfect replacement for the F5s original light fighter role... As light fighters are supposed to be cheaper and more expendable (no risk of losing a pilot in Kızılelmas case). Imagine Kızılelmas leading the charge with Kaans in the back, whilst Anka 3s take out ground targets.

F4 can carry 8 tons (or something like that) of munitions, calling it a light fighter is an insult to that plane, have some respect for your elders mate

 

[Sanchez]

Turkey's possible Eurofighter purchase: "Positive signals for local ammunition integration"

Quoting the parts I deemed relevant:
"BAE Systems declined to comment on the Eurofighter Typhoon configuration requested by Turkey. The company responded positively to the question of whether Turkey, which has a wide range of indigenous munitions, "has the opportunity to integrate its own munitions." The British defense giant explained that Typhoon has unrivaled agility with its capacity to carry a wide range of air-to-air and air-to-ground ammunition, and has a positive and strong track record in providing integrations in accordance with the wishes of user countries."

"One of the main reasons for Turkey's interest in acquiring the Eurofighter Typhoon is that it has a very good air-to-air (air-to-air) capability among the 4++ generation fighters. Typhoon's future ECRS (European Common Radar System) Mk2 AESA radar will be almost completely different from the current Mk 0 and Mk 1 radars. While the previous series used GaAs modules, the Mk2 uses a combination of GaAs and GaN modules. The biggest trademark of the Mk 2 is that it allows simultaneous broadband electronic warfare. The radar integrated electronic warfare system, which is also an ambitious feature of the F-35 fighter jets, will provide a great advantage for Typhoon."

"BAE Systems did not provide information on the possible sale of ECRS Mk2 to Turkey, but said that the radar has not yet started flight trials this year, but has been integrated into the test and evaluation aircraft and ground tests are continuing at the Air Combat Engineering Center. The company also stated that it will be integrated into existing UK Typhoons by the 2030s."

"When asked whether the company is considering independent production from other partners, BAE Systems officials were clear that the program is being carried out in conjunction with the partner countries. The program is "a long-term cooperative partnership built on the industrial and political strengths of the four partner countries (Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom)," the company said, adding that it has received excellent support from the four partner countries."

Türkiye'nin olası Eurofighter alımı: "Yerel mühimmat entegrasyonuna olumlu sinyal"

Defence Turk, Türkiye'nin Eurofighter Typhoon savaş uçağı talebini İngiliz savunma devi BAE Systems'e sordu.

www.defenceturk.net

Green light on Turkish munitions integration. Possibly no way of building them without Germany. New radar won't be ready for some time and if Turkey orders now with a quicker schedule program, it would need to buy them with Mk1 radars, requiring to spend again later to replace them with Mk2s.

 

[Afif]

No hard feeling @Sanchez he just wants to have a chat with you.

 

[TheInsider]

I think Turkiye can't get Eurofighter without a change in the German government.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I think Turkiye can't get Eurofighter without a change in the German government.

Next election is oct 2025. Safe to say we're blueballed until mid 2026 or so.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I mean there still only exists a single flying prototype, it is by no means ready. And plans after 2025 is 2 aircraft a month per Kotil's words.

When it is emergency , Turkiye can produce 5 per month and speed up the process start right now the production of hürhet not in 2025 and that emergency is when 2 f5 crashed within 10 days perhaps another one will crush soon so Just like Land forces upgraded emergent 40 Leo 2A4 tanks

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Turkey's possible Eurofighter purchase: "Positive signals for local ammunition integration"

Quoting the parts I deemed relevant:
"BAE Systems declined to comment on the Eurofighter Typhoon configuration requested by Turkey. The company responded positively to the question of whether Turkey, which has a wide range of indigenous munitions, "has the opportunity to integrate its own munitions." The British defense giant explained that Typhoon has unrivaled agility with its capacity to carry a wide range of air-to-air and air-to-ground ammunition, and has a positive and strong track record in providing integrations in accordance with the wishes of user countries."

"One of the main reasons for Turkey's interest in acquiring the Eurofighter Typhoon is that it has a very good air-to-air (air-to-air) capability among the 4++ generation fighters. Typhoon's future ECRS (European Common Radar System) Mk2 AESA radar will be almost completely different from the current Mk 0 and Mk 1 radars. While the previous series used GaAs modules, the Mk2 uses a combination of GaAs and GaN modules. The biggest trademark of the Mk 2 is that it allows simultaneous broadband electronic warfare. The radar integrated electronic warfare system, which is also an ambitious feature of the F-35 fighter jets, will provide a great advantage for Typhoon."

"BAE Systems did not provide information on the possible sale of ECRS Mk2 to Turkey, but said that the radar has not yet started flight trials this year, but has been integrated into the test and evaluation aircraft and ground tests are continuing at the Air Combat Engineering Center. The company also stated that it will be integrated into existing UK Typhoons by the 2030s."

"When asked whether the company is considering independent production from other partners, BAE Systems officials were clear that the program is being carried out in conjunction with the partner countries. The program is "a long-term cooperative partnership built on the industrial and political strengths of the four partner countries (Germany, Italy, Spain and the United Kingdom)," the company said, adding that it has received excellent support from the four partner countries."

Türkiye'nin olası Eurofighter alımı: "Yerel mühimmat entegrasyonuna olumlu sinyal"

Defence Turk, Türkiye'nin Eurofighter Typhoon savaş uçağı talebini İngiliz savunma devi BAE Systems'e sordu.

www.defenceturk.net

Green light on Turkish munitions integration. Possibly no way of building them without Germany. New radar won't be ready for some time and if Turkey orders now with a quicker schedule program, it would need to buy them with Mk1 radars, requiring to spend again later to replace them with Mk2s.

I dont understand those news and comments about buying fighter aircraft from others like eurofighter right now when KAAN is becoming ready within 5 years . It will be great strategy if Turkish politicans or someone at high level army personels, predict those bans on Turkish f35 and buy eurofighter back in 2015 and buy more f16 but i faxking dont understand why to spent our money buying 4 gen eurofighter that most propably will come in 2028 if we order right now when at that time we can build 5gen our national Fighter jet !

 

[YeşilVatan]

I dont understand those news and comments about buying fighter aircraft from others like eurofighter right now when KAAN is becoming ready within 5 years . It will be great strategy if Turkish politicans or someone at high level army personels, predict those bans on Turkish f35 and buy eurofighter back in 2015 and buy more f16 but i faxking dont understand why to spent our money buying 4 gen eurofighter that most propably will come in 2028 if we order right now when at that time we can build 5gen our national Fighter jet !

What if there is a problem with KAAN? Project delays, underfunding, political undermining, sabotage. Anything can happen.

 

[uçuyorum]

What if there is a problem with KAAN? Project delays, underfunding, political undermining, sabotage. Anything can happen.

I mean block 70 deal is much closer, so it has less urgency.

 

[YeşilVatan]

I mean block 70 deal is much closer, so it has less urgency.

I get it but US is an erratic, unpredictable actor. The only man who matters in Turkey is way worse. My guess is "2nd men" that do the real planning don't want to let the EF prospect go. Maybe it's got something to do with our relations with Britain, maybe it's about trying to get just a little bit more in the F-16 negotiations. Who knows...