TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[uçuyorum]

IMO, 200+ KAAN and 80 Eurofighter+Viper is enough investment in TurAF (until it moves toward 6th gen platforms in 25 years or so.) As there will be hundreds of loyal wingman alongside these manned platforms. Which I don't think were given enough attention in 2000s and early 2010s. Back then the Concept of 5th gen areal warfare with the MUM-T at the center of it wasn't widely accepted. Even for USAF.

Technically Türkiye can still procure more KAAN. But in the end it is about overall trade-off and balancing between Air, land, Naval and space capabilities. And i think that money is better invested elsewhere with more return potential for strategic effect. Like an SSN program. (Which definitely doesn't get enough attention here among Turkish industry enthusiasts.)

200 KAAN + 80 EF + Viper is an outrageous investment. You are looking at 100 billion+ for these

 

[IC3M@N FX]

It won't be 80 Eurofighters or 200 TAI KAAN. What money are you going to use to finance that...?

In the end it will be 80-120 TAI KAAN, and 40-60 Eurofighter, then another 50-60 Hürjet Marine version and the own + new F-16 together it would be 300-310 fighter jets.

We would then be close to 450-500 manned combat aircraft, which is enough for Turkey because at least 150-250 different classes of drones will also be added by 2035.
That is more than enough to defend the country and its properties and bases abroad.
The drones can be scaled up even further at low cost by a further +100-150 drones if required.

However, Turkey needs a total of 2 LHDs like the TCG Anadolu and a total of 8-10 destroyers.
The LHD's must operate permanently in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean together with 4 destroyers (2 per LHD) as a deterrent, and 2 real aircraft carriers like MUGEM which is there for foreign and domestic operations.
That is much more important 700-800 manned combat aircraft.

 

[Huelague]

I think with the upcoming government change in Germany, and with most likely the CDU running the show, they will be lifting most if not all restrictions on weapons exports.

No.

 

[Huelague]

It won't be 80 Eurofighters or 200 TAI KAAN. What money are you going to use to finance that...?

In the end it will be 80-120 TAI KAAN, and 40-60 Eurofighter, then another 50-60 Hürjet Marine version and the own + new F-16 together it would be 300-310 fighter jets.

We would then be close to 450-500 manned combat aircraft, which is enough for Turkey because at least 150-250 different classes of drones will also be added by 2035.
That is more than enough to defend the country and its properties and bases abroad.
The drones can be scaled up even further at low cost by a further +100-150 drones if required.

However, Turkey needs a total of 2 LHDs like the TCG Anadolu and a total of 8-10 destroyers.
The LHD's must operate permanently in the Black Sea and the Mediterranean together with 4 destroyers (2 per LHD) as a deterrent, and 2 real aircraft carriers like MUGEM which is there for foreign and domestic operations.
That is much more important 700-800 manned combat aircraft.

We will get 300+ Kaan at least.

 

[Zoth]

I found this interview, I don't understand Turkish but I guess he was talking about Türkiye's military technology industry. ? I put it here, I leave it to the moderators if they think it appropriate to move it to remove it. Thank you greetings

This interview video is mainly about the Chinese industry as the title also states. It talks about the Airshow China (also known as Zhuhai Airshow) and the latest advancements of Chinese Aviation industry or MiC in general.


Highlights
Airshow China 2024: The international aviation and aerospace fair has officially begun.
Since 1996: This event has been held since 1996 and will run through November 17 this year.
China’s Advancements: China has achieved significant progress in the aviation sector.
Russia’s Strong Presence: Russia is a major participant in the event, emphasizing its importance.
New-Generation Fighters: Advanced fighter jets like the J35 and J20 have been introduced.
Stealth Aircraft Focus: The concept of low radar visibility or “stealth aircraft” is prominent.
Drones and Cargo UAVs: Unmanned aerial vehicles and cargo drones captured significant attention.

Key Insights
Progress in Aviation Technology: China’s recent advancements in aviation, showcased with next-gen aircraft, increase global competition in the aviation market.

International Participation: Russia’s strong presence reflects the military cooperation and rivalry between the two nations. Events in the Far East are reaching parity with major Western aviation shows.
Next-Gen Aircraft: The debut of fifth-generation fighters like the J35 and J20 illustrates China’s expanding military air power, with potential to become significant players internationally.
Stealth Technology: Low radar visibility technology gives these “stealth” aircraft a decisive edge by helping them evade enemy radar, offering a vital advantage in modern warfare.
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles: Cargo UAVs and drones are increasingly integral to new military strategies, and advances in this area could shape the future of warfare technology.
Military Strategy and Alliances: China’s military strategies influence international dynamics, and its relationship with Russia could deepen military collaboration.
Technological Rivalry: With advanced technologies like hypersonic weapons systems, China aims to surpass the U.S., potentially altering global security balances.

 

[TheInsider]

The Turkish Air Force will acquire 240 Kaans between 2028 and 2040. By 2040, the Turkish Air Force's fighter fleet will consist of 40 Eurofighters, 120 F16s, and 240 Kaans.

 

[Gaucho]

This interview video is mainly about the Chinese industry as the title also states. It talks about the Airshow China (also known as Zhuhai Airshow) and the latest advancements of Chinese Aviation industry or MiC in general.


Highlights
Airshow China 2024: The international aviation and aerospace fair has officially begun.
Since 1996: This event has been held since 1996 and will run through November 17 this year.
China’s Advancements: China has achieved significant progress in the aviation sector.
Russia’s Strong Presence: Russia is a major participant in the event, emphasizing its importance.
New-Generation Fighters: Advanced fighter jets like the J35 and J20 have been introduced.
Stealth Aircraft Focus: The concept of low radar visibility or “stealth aircraft” is prominent.
Drones and Cargo UAVs: Unmanned aerial vehicles and cargo drones captured significant attention.

Key Insights
Progress in Aviation Technology: China’s recent advancements in aviation, showcased with next-gen aircraft, increase global competition in the aviation market.

International Participation: Russia’s strong presence reflects the military cooperation and rivalry between the two nations. Events in the Far East are reaching parity with major Western aviation shows.
Next-Gen Aircraft: The debut of fifth-generation fighters like the J35 and J20 illustrates China’s expanding military air power, with potential to become significant players internationally.
Stealth Technology: Low radar visibility technology gives these “stealth” aircraft a decisive edge by helping them evade enemy radar, offering a vital advantage in modern warfare.
Unmanned Aerial Vehicles: Cargo UAVs and drones are increasingly integral to new military strategies, and advances in this area could shape the future of warfare technology.
Military Strategy and Alliances: China’s military strategies influence international dynamics, and its relationship with Russia could deepen military collaboration.
Technological Rivalry: With advanced technologies like hypersonic weapons systems, China aims to surpass the U.S., potentially altering global security balances.

Thanks for your response
I thought about it, and I also thought that he might be talking about the technological developments that Türkiye has today.

 

[Zoth]

Thanks for your response
I thought about it, and I also thought that he might be talking about the technological developments that Türkiye has today.

To learn more about Turkish technological development in general you can head to Turkey sub-category in this forum, there are so many sections that talk about different topics that can help you learn about new stuff.

Turkish Defence Forum

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[chngr]

The Turkish Air Force will acquire 240 Kaans between 2028 and 2040. By 2040, the Turkish Air Force's fighter fleet will consist of 40 Eurofighters, 120 F16s, and 240 Kaans.

No

Haven't learn anything...there was no domestic engine yet, we will most likely see fully functional KAAN by 2037-40

Even if we don't count these...You cannot produce 240 aircraft in 10 years and close the line after that

Production and orders have to be spread over years

Look even after 30 years France still order Rafale, Europe still order Eurofighter

Thanks to this, the production lines still remained open, the aircraft remained up to date with developments...And they can still exports after 30 years

HvKK's KAAN orders should spread over at least 30 years...2030-2060

 

[Gaucho]

To learn more about Turkish technological development in general you can head to Turkey sub-category in this forum, there are so many sections that talk about different topics that can help you learn about new stuff.

Turkish Defence Forum

defencehub.live

Thank you!!

 

[2033]

The Turkish Air Force will acquire 240 Kaans between 2028 and 2040. By 2040, the Turkish Air Force's fighter fleet will consist of 40 Eurofighters, 120 F16s, and 240 Kaans.

Considering that we will switch to a domestic engine after 2035, 240 Kaan is impossible.