Turkish Military Stance in Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean

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I don't think so, where will European tourists go if Türkiye and Greece are out of the picture. Likewise how will the US protect American assets against Türkiye?
 

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I don't think so, where will European tourists go if Türkiye and Greece are out of the picture. Likewise how will the US protect American assets against Türkiye?

The European Tourists can go to north Africa, Spain, Balkan etc. They need not Greece or Turkey.

Turkey can close down Incirlik in Case of American Agression or hit some of their Assests in the Region.

I will just understand the Sense of the Post: "nukes will come after Oil and Gas is found".

Nukes make Sense when we have it to do with Nuclear Powers or in Case that there will be an likely War with an Enemy that have quantitive and qualitative Edge, for the last Resort before a defeat is archieved.
 

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Why is the TRG series important? Even though we have low-speed anti-ship missiles, including the TRG-230 UHA and Cakiri, as well as the SOM/SOM-J. Before the end of the first week of the war with Greece, the French aircraft carrier group could be transferred to the Eastern Mediterranean only with faster and longer range.
 

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Why bother with meaningless hypotheticals someone on the Internet comes with in the first place?
 

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In a war with Greece France would never send ther AC, it would sink to the bottom of the sea.
France has not been a great power for a hundred years. The Star of France is slowly moving towards the horizon. The French rooster will go far into the Mediterranean Sea, start crowing and that’s it :LOL:
 

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In a war with Greece France would never send ther AC, it would sink to the bottom of the sea.


Say never, never ! France have an mutual Defence Pact with Greece. Even the EU have the mutual Defence Article 42.7. In my View it's unlikely the EU will participate with it's own military Forces in a greek - turkish War, but France is likely possible. Did you forget in 2020 when TAF was attacking with Koral-II a french Frigate in the Aegean ?

For what the Frigate was sent, just to play Cat and Mouse with Turkey ?
 

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To bring an AC to a closed sea equals a suicide mission.
our Land Attack Atmaca missile can reach up to nearly Egyptian coast. During a penetration attack, French AC will have a no chance!
 

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To bring an AC to a closed sea equals a suicide mission.
our Land Attack Atmaca missile can reach up to nearly Egyptian coast. During a penetration attack, French AC will have a no chance!
BTW: The example by Güçlü Akpinar show how important Stealth Drones are in such Mission like a Saturation Attack on the Escort Ships for example. They will be later detected by Radars from Carrier and the Escort. In this Case the attacking Formation likely to have EW Support. They fire their Missiles from SOM, Çakir,Amaca and IHA-230 and conduct an Saturation Attack.
 

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Say never, never ! France have an mutual Defence Pact with Greece. Even the EU have the mutual Defence Article 42.7. In my View it's unlikely the EU will participate with it's own military Forces in a greek - turkish War, but France is likely possible. Did you forget in 2020 when TAF was attacking with Koral-II a french Frigate in the Aegean ?

For what the Frigate was sent, just to play Cat and Mouse with Turkey ?

if we look at history Europeans forming coalitions to fight us is not unusual. I think maybe in history europeans formed the most coalitions against us.
 

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For this Reason we need to be prepared!

yep 100% you to have be prepared. The best way to stop any such things taking place against Turkey is to be prepared for it. If our enemies see we are ready and capable, then it wont happen. But if they see we weak and distracted, then you invite the devil in.

But if i'm a gambling man, the EU or rather its main movers and shakers 100% want to create an EU army. If that day comes it will be placed against us in our very own backyard. No doubts about it. While Turks think that europeans wont be united to send their sons to die for say greek imperial ambitions, its worth keeping in mind the media is a powerful tool and the right event whether real or fake is all that is needed to gain public sentiment.
 

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yep 100% you to have be prepared. The best way to stop any such things taking place against Turkey is to be prepared for it. If our enemies see we are ready and capable, then it wont happen. But if they see we weak and distracted, then you invite the devil in.

But if i'm a gambling man, the EU or rather its main movers and shakers 100% want to create an EU army. If that day comes it will be placed against us in our very own backyard. No doubts about it. While Turks think that europeans wont be united to send their sons to die for say greek imperial ambitions, its worth keeping in mind the media is a powerful tool and the right event whether real or fake is all that is needed to gain public sentiment.

It's also important to make steps ahead in ballistic, Hypersonic Weapons and nuclear Industry. If an EU Army is standing, we can not counter their Conventional Capabillities one by one, we need the nuclear Option as last Ressort.
 

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To bring an AC to a closed sea equals a suicide mission.
our Land Attack Atmaca missile can reach up to nearly Egyptian coast. During a penetration attack, French AC will have a no chance!


That member do not understand that, it is siucide against us :D. When they did send it 4 years ago it was symbolic.
 

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Say never, never ! France have an mutual Defence Pact with Greece. Even the EU have the mutual Defence Article 42.7. In my View it's unlikely the EU will participate with it's own military Forces in a greek - turkish War, but France is likely possible. Did you forget in 2020 when TAF was attacking with Koral-II a french Frigate in the Aegean ?

For what the Frigate was sent, just to play Cat and Mouse with Turkey ?
I also like to point out that their nuclear doctrine is batshit insane and if they feel like they need to throw hands with us, the first shots will be nuclear.

We need nukes ASAP!

 

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The strait of sicily have is from great strategic Value. A Presence close to this important Strait, is important for Turkey to Counter any Intervention by eueopean Powers in it's Area of Influence.

The Tweet from Güçlü Akpinar is showing, in this Area we can stop an enemy CSG with own Air, sea and land based anti-Ship Assests.
 

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A hypothetical question: let's say we were planning a first strike against Greece.

How could we do that by surprising them and taking out their air defense system, that's just the first step, without firing the really good stuff first, e.g. cruise/ballistic missiles. In my plan, I want to force the Greeks to fire their air defense missiles and not be able to reload and aim them, even if they can take out multiple targets at once.

For example, would the solution be to send hundreds or even thousands of medium sized glide bombs with GPS/INS, each with a solid fuel booster, at the Greek bases/air defense systems from the ground, e.g. from the Turkish coast?
In this case, the glide bomb would have to be multi-stage after reaching the desired altitude and speed, the booster would be released and the bomb would glide to the target at subsonic speed, but would have to cover a total of 600-700 km with the booster and in gliding flight, which would be the basic requirement.
The advantage would be to take the enemy's air defense systems by surprise with the sheer mass of simple glide bombs, which cost 50,000 - 80,000 per USD.
In comparison, an air defense missile costs several hundred thousand, sometimes even millions of USD per unit. So a country like Greece can't intercept hundreds or even thousands of glide bombs at the same time if they all come at the same time, can they?
Then you send the cruise/ballistic missiles for the really surgical strikes.
 

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A hypothetical question: let's say we were planning a first strike against Greece.

How could we do that by surprising them and taking out their air defense system, that's just the first step, without firing the really good stuff first, e.g. cruise/ballistic missiles. In my plan, I want to force the Greeks to fire their air defense missiles and not be able to reload and aim them, even if they can take out multiple targets at once.

For example, would the solution be to send hundreds or even thousands of medium sized glide bombs with GPS/INS, each with a solid fuel booster, at the Greek bases/air defense systems from the ground, e.g. from the Turkish coast?
In this case, the glide bomb would have to be multi-stage after reaching the desired altitude and speed, the booster would be released and the bomb would glide to the target at subsonic speed, but would have to cover a total of 600-700 km with the booster and in gliding flight, which would be the basic requirement.
The advantage would be to take the enemy's air defense systems by surprise with the sheer mass of simple glide bombs, which cost 50,000 - 80,000 per USD.
In comparison, an air defense missile costs several hundred thousand, sometimes even millions of USD per unit. So a country like Greece can't intercept hundreds or even thousands of glide bombs at the same time if they all come at the same time, can they?
Then you send the cruise/ballistic missiles for the really surgical strikes.
The US has MALD's for that purpose. Air-launched decoys. The most recent ones has jammers embedded.

We, on the other hand, can spam Şimşek's. They even can carry warheads now.
 

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The US has MALD's for that purpose. Air-launched decoys. The most recent ones has jammers embedded.

We, on the other hand, can spam Şimşek's. They even can carry warheads now.
But that's exactly what I don't want, these are all really complex systems with lots of sensors that cost a lot of money Simsek & Co are also cruise missiles with a turbofan engine = costs a lot of money.
You can't fire hundreds or thousands of them. Then Turkey's ammunition stores would be empty in 3-4 months in a war.
My goal, at least in my hypothesis, is to equip a glide bomb with a solid-fuel booster.
The glide bomb itself must be as simple as possible and only have GPS/INS.
This type of bomb should be fired from the ground. Because airplanes can only carry a certain amount, but from the ground with launchers you can fire thousands.
Also, a solid fuel booster can reach a higher speed and altitude in relation to the weight of the bomb, once this solid fuel booster fades out the bomb should only glide the last part of the way to the target Speed and altitude play a big role in the glide bomb's range.
My aim is to overwhelm the air defenses so that they don't have time to intercept them.
At the same time, the glide bombs are precise enough with GPS/INS to attack these airbases, air defense systems & air hangers because every fourth or fifth glide bombs are guaranteed to hit.
 
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But that's exactly what I don't want, these are all really complex systems with lots of sensors that cost a lot of money Simsek & Co are also cruise missiles with a turbofan engine = costs a lot of money.
You can't fire hundreds or thousands of them. Then Turkey's ammunition stores would be empty in 3-4 months in a war.
My goal, at least in my hypothesis, is to equip a glide bomb with a solid-fuel booster.
The glide bomb itself must be as simple as possible and only have GPS/INS.
This type of bomb should be fired from the ground. Because airplanes can only carry a certain amount, but from the ground with launchers you can fire thousands.
Also, a solid fuel booster can reach a higher speed and altitude in relation to the weight of the bomb, once this solid fuel booster fades out the bomb should only glide the last part of the way to the target Speed and altitude play a big role in the glide bomb's range.
My aim is to overwhelm the air defenses so that they don't have time to intercept them.
At the same time, the glide bombs are precise enough with GPS/INS to attack these airbases, air defense systems & air hangers because every fourth or fifth glide bombs are guaranteed to hit.
So, this?
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Their range is 150 km though.
 

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