Turkish Military Stance in Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean

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The way it looks to me, its inevitable that most nations on earth will get nuclear weapons at some point. It may take 50 years, it may take 200 years. But the idea that nukes will remain in a few hands indefinitely is unrealistic.

The real question is, will a nation like Turkiye lose first before getting them. A good example is Ukraine, she gave her nukes up and as a result she ended up facing a full on Russian invasion, that may one day completely annex the nation.

Another example of losing first was Russia threatening us over our interventions in Syria with things like nuclear strikes. They first had the crazy one whose clearly an agent of the Russian government threatened to nuke istanbul. Then once it looked like it wasnt going to deter us, Putin started actively talking about using tactical nukes against us. Have we been losing in the sense that we didn't pursue our interests fully because of fear of nuclear strike. Those threats would have been meaningless to us had we had our arsenal.

Had we had a nuclear arsenal with ballistic strike capability, would we have pursued our regional interests more aggressively and successfully. If the answer is yes, then we are losing already by not having them.
We haven't yet been in a situation where we could benefit greatly had we have nukes. Having nukes will not automatically bring the upper-hand in conflicts but it will be an insurance policy against excessive reaction. We need to have all other leverages in our arsenal before we finally benefit from having nukes. We are still at 83% self reliance in defense sector, once we get past 90% we can look at nuclear weapons. This can happen in 7 years.
 

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We haven't yet been in a situation where we could benefit greatly had we have nukes. Having nukes will not automatically bring the upper-hand in conflicts but it will be an insurance policy against excessive reaction. We need to have all other leverages in our arsenal before we finally benefit from having nukes. We are still at 83% self reliance in defense sector, once we get past 90% we can look at nuclear weapons. This can happen in 7 years.


You're right, it's important to have the key Technologies first. What bring Nukes without a credible second Strike Capabillity, MIRV Capable Missiles, hypersonic Missiles and glide Vehicles as well ground and space based early Warning Assests.

As far as the politic Situation will change, for example the Talks about nuclaer Sharing in EU or like Iran become an nuclaer Power in near Future. We will have Threats were we need an insurance against an execesive Reaction.

For example the mutual Defence Pact between Greece and France or the nuclaer Threats from Russia in case of entering Syria.
 

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You're right, it's important to have the key Technologies first. What bring Nukes without a credible second Strike Capabillity, MIRV Capable Missiles, hypersonic Missiles and glide Vehicles as well ground and space based early Warning Assests.

As far as the politic Situation will change, for example the Talks about nuclaer Sharing in EU or like Iran become an nuclaer Power in near Future. We will have Threats were we need an insurance against an execesive Reaction.

For example the mutual Defence Pact between Greece and France or the nuclaer Threats from Russia in case of entering Syria.
All this is well and good, but here's the point y'all tend to forget:

The defensive umbrellas of these nations can easily handle the few dozens of nukes states like NK tend to have.

We need to make A LOTTA nukes, or not make any at all.

An initial batch of 2000 is sufficient.
 

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All this is well and good, but here's the point y'all tend to forget:

The defensive umbrellas of these nations can easily handle the few dozens of nukes states like NK tend to have.

We need to make A LOTTA nukes, or not make any at all.

An initial batch of 2000 is sufficient.
I was thinking 500 will make us feel safe but what do I know.
 

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The establishing of a main Jet Base in Dalaman bring some Challenges with, it is close to Aegean and eastern Mediterran. This bring the Advantages of fast Reaction with, on the other Side the Base could become without sophisticated early Warning and Air Defence in easy Victim of an preemtive Strike.

 

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Kara Atmaca/Atmaca UM(ER) test, finally revealed. Range is 280+km with a 250kg warhead. See the more angular canister to maybe differentiate. Not exactly sure but the TEL looks to be either Koluman Derman or another Mercedes Arocs based frame.


And now the only thing left for full control of the aegean sea is SİPER Block 3. Am i wrong?
 

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I don’t understand why a another shipyard changes the balances ? We have quite a few of them already.
 

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France is getting concerned about growing Capabillities of turkish Navy.

In the event of a very high threat of war and if Turkiye feels the source of this threat in the seas, that is the situation turns into a matter of life and death, Turkiye is about to reach the infrastructure to start building 6-8 main combatants, including submarines and large displacement warships, 6-8 patrol / fast missile boats and 6-8 logistic/support/auxilary vassels, simultaneously. Most of us already know which facilities have which abilities to give details about each shipyard, so I will not go into these technical details.

But one thing need know that, Turkish shipyards can alone hold a very significant portion of the total military vessel production of the European continent if we manage correctly these years. We are in a good position in terms of shipyard technical personnel, subcontractors, shipyard infrastructure and technical facilities.

On the economical look, Turkish naval ship sectors will start to squeeze Italian, French and German counterparts in all of emerging economic zones around world, no longer just in specialized civilian or coaster vessels etc, but in high-tech value-added naval ship production, which is now largely linked to the national security of the client countries.

That is, real problem, is not only the annual steel processing capacity and the number of blocks produced by our shipyards, which are capable of producing at military standards and are directly military in nature, but also the formation of a very large eco-system at 'European standards' covering the equipment, electronics and weapon systems required by military ships of almost all classes. If you analyze the cost of a ship, the main contribution is not in the production of the hull and related engineering; the main cost factor is in the equiping. In period we are in: there is only one blind spot left, propulsion systems, which will not remain so for long.

As a result, they can try to limit a military force whose system procurement is based on foreign purchases, and whose doctrinal activities are shaped by these purchases, by putting a barrier element in between. However, when this element is no longer content with meeting its own needs through domestic means, but becomes capable of producing its own technology and procuring systems specific to its doctrinal designs, and when its production capacity catches up with and surpasses the production centers on the other side of the barrier, the traditional equation will no longer be valid and it will be a matter of time before it becomes obsolete.
 
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They're encroching on us. Pressuring from more sides to contain us. I think KKTC population not rising to equal the size of GC is/was a mistake imo.
 

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It's irrelevant whether they have the money or not. If their allies want to sell it then they'll find a way to make it happend.

What matters is that we establish permanent presence in the waters that we claim as ours.
 

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