TR Naval Programs

[YeşilVatan]

Aside from all the Navy's current areas of interest and risk zones, hydrocarbon exploration and extraction activities are starting in the Gulf of Libya this year and off the coast of Somalia next year. The logistics master plan for the strategic Welfare Road from the Basrah to Edirnekapı has been signed and the Gulf is now definitely one of the Turkish Navy's areas of interest. After a while, a navy again, with 7 seas at its center and a sphere of influence that extends from the Gulf of Guinea to friendly and brotherly countries in South Asia.

This new paradigm becomes even more evident when we look at the basing strategies of our navy based on open sources. This situation creates an absolute expansion pressure on the Turkish Navy, both organizationally and platform-wise.

When I share my humble opinion on the future projections of the navy on a platform basis, I generally refrain from making estimates on production numbers. However, in terms of the size of the main surface combatant fleet, I believe that unless we can roughly double the traditionally accepted numbers (16 used to be a very popular figure), our deterrence in this domain will remain limited.

At this point, the development of a group of facilities and workforce within private shipyards focused on military production can be one of the most important weapons in our hands. If we drop into really urgent and essential conditions, the navy has a stronger backing than other force structures, which shows the strategic planning capacity that has been developed over many years.

I get the idea that Air Force and Army planning lagged behind in terms of concrete results. What do you think is the reason for that? How can other two branches (and Gendarmerie I guess) solve their problem with planning ahead?

Edit: or more succinctly, what seperates Navy from other branches that they deliver on these projects?

 

[dBSPL]

I get the idea that Air Force and Army planning lagged behind in terms of concrete results. What do you think is the reason for that? How can other two branches (and Gendarmerie I guess) solve their problem with planning ahead?

Edit: or more succinctly, what seperates Navy from other branches that they deliver on these projects?

For a more accurate answer of your comparative question, the opinions of more competent people can give a healthier idea, while there is a naval expert like ANMDT in our forum who opens the horizons of all of us, what I have to say on this subject will not go beyond unnecessary speculation. However, I think we can all agree that our Navy is markedly different in terms of strategy development.

Mine is an opinion that does not go into the reasons. As an outsider, I see the navy as more prepared at the end of day, and having alternatives for many situation. More importantly, while conditions change over time, the Naval Forces looking more dynamic. For a long time, there were difficulties in acquiring new main combat platforms, but at the end of the day, we now have a much bigger opportunity in exchange for this risk, we can put the national frigates on the slipway three at a time! I don't know if there is a need to keep repeating these things, but we have also turned these frigates into platforms that are free from foreign dependence to an extent that would have been unimaginable for an outsider looking in 20 years ago. And this is not the limit, the next phase will be the deployment of strategic systems on these platforms that cannot be accessed even with unlimited money.

Until this point, no one outside of a narrow circle of interest had even noticed that the Turkish navy was making such a breakthrough. It is the work of a quiet but determined dedication. A dedication that cannot be weakened even by the slanders thrown on the honorable Turkish navy, even by throwing them into dungeons.

 

[UkroTurk]

According to the catalogue AS 3600 has 4500 mile range whereas 3000ton Istif Class has 5500-6500mile range(wikipedia)

AS 3600 might be overloaded and sacrificed the range.

It seems Istif Class very well designed.

So if you want to expand national interests , you need more than as 3600.

IMO we need heavier frigates for instance Dearsan TF142 ( Arrowhead çakması )

Dearsans TF142 has proven design rather than TF4500

 

[dBSPL]

According to the catalogue AS 3600 has 4500 mile range whereas 3000ton Istif Class has 5500-6500mile range(wikipedia)

AS 3600 might be overloaded and sacrificed the range.

It seems Istif Class very well designed.

So if you want to expand national interests , you need more than as 3600.

IMO we need heavier frigates for instance Dearsan TF142 ( Arrowhead çakması )

Dearsans TF142 has proven design rather than TF4500

Aziz Başkan is currently changing Caspian dynamics and busy make Africa great again. lol. Jokes aside, Dearsan is a tremendous success story in the Turkish shipbuilding industry. Professionalism and patriotism have equal weight in this story.

I would love to see an alternative program run by the private sector in parallel with the national warship programs, even on a pilot scale. I have written many posts on this subject in the past. Therefore, it is not possible for me to disagree with what you have written.

 

[uçuyorum]

Interesting detail about Frigate based air defence system and launcher placement.
Looks like Ada class?

 

[Anmdt]

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Interesting detail about Frigate based air defence system and launcher placement.
Looks like Ada class?

ADKG
There is a reason why they can't install it on Ada-Class at that spot. But the module can be installed elsewhere, if available.

These images explain why:

 

[Saithan]

I don't know if anyone saw one of my post under the scandinavian thread, about how Danish Frigate combatting drones had issues with their smart munition and missiles that didn't seem to work (misfire).

I think it's good and important to have smart munition and such, but I believe that systems like Phalanx won't be obsolete unless 30-35mm hardpoint is going to take over the role of CIWS.

Of course I believe that TN is better at testing their arms frequently and won't run into same issues as Danish Navy did.

 

[UkroTurk]

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Interesting detail about Frigate based air defence system and launcher placement.
Looks like Ada class?

I expect we will see cheaper and more compact missile launcher for Bozdoğan and UMTAS.

Once i heard from our defense authority on internet : "They are working vertically launched Bozdoğan"

Kind a MML

The MML is configured to fire many different kinds of weapons; they launcher recently conducted live fire exercises with an AIM-9X Sidewinder missile and an AGM-114 Hellfire missile.


Another hellfire naval VLS. İmagine we could fit our Bozdoğans and UMTAS in it.

I would put those launchers not vertically but 180 degree horizontally ( not declined)on two side of warships so they could lock without radar and Datalink connection, in case of electronic attack or other problems. The missiles could autonomously engage from TV/IIR sensors .

 

[Zafer]

For ships with no available extra space, above deck removable missile launcher clusters be it VLS or angled can be considered as a solution. This may or may not get in the way of helicopter operations but will give a massive boost to ships capabilities.

 

[Aqerdf]

CFR is shrinked i think:

So UMR is getting bigger, AYR is gone and CFR getting shrink ?

İstanbul Tersanesi Komutanlığı, Dizayn Proje Ofisi (DPO) Müdürlüğü ve TCG İstanbul Fırkateyni Kapılarını Basına Açtı

Ülkemizde 84 özel tersane ve 4 askeri tersane bulunmakta olup bunlar arasında gerek kapasite, gerekse kapsadığı alan açısından en büyüğü tarihi 1455’li yıllara dayanan İstanbul Tersanesi Komutanlığı’dır. 140.000m2’si kapalı alan olmak üzere toplamda 1 Milyon m2 genişliğinde bir alan üzerine...

www.defenceturkey.com

 

[Anmdt]

CFR is shrinked i think:

View attachment 67549

So UMR is getting bigger, AYR is gone and CFR getting shrink ?

İstanbul Tersanesi Komutanlığı, Dizayn Proje Ofisi (DPO) Müdürlüğü ve TCG İstanbul Fırkateyni Kapılarını Basına Açtı

Ülkemizde 84 özel tersane ve 4 askeri tersane bulunmakta olup bunlar arasında gerek kapasite, gerekse kapsadığı alan açısından en büyüğü tarihi 1455’li yıllara dayanan İstanbul Tersanesi Komutanlığı’dır. 140.000m2’si kapalı alan olmak üzere toplamda 1 Milyon m2 genişliğinde bir alan üzerine...

www.defenceturkey.com

CFR has the same T/R count, installation and assembly has shrunk (which is good).

 

[Radonsider]

CFR has the same T/R count, installation and assembly has shrunk (which is good).

Damn that's a huge miniaturisation then