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What about a Very short VLS carrying Camm or Mica type missiles. A missile derived from gokdogan. You might even increase the number to 32 Camm type near the atmacas and 16 siper in the front. Is it possible ?
İnstead of 35mm KORKUT-N, RAM type horizontal launcher AKA Levent
And two sided point defense 20mm CIWS..💪😎😎
Edit: we found out that 20mm cal ineffective.
So we will welcome 2X 35mm cal single Göker. Plus 2x AESA Plates.
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Cut off the last one!
 

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Adding the Levent air defense system with a 10km range to a Turkish I-Class frigate that already has the Gökdeniz CIWS and MIDLAS VLS, capable of launching Hisar N (40km range) and SİPER missiles (90km range), could offer certain advantages and enhance the frigate's air defense capabilities. Here's why it could be beneficial:

1. Close-Range Defense: The Levent system's 10km range would provide an additional layer of close-range defense for the frigate. While the Hisar N and SİPER missiles offer extended ranges, the Levent system would be particularly effective in engaging targets at shorter distances, ensuring a comprehensive air defense coverage.

2. Target Differentiation: The Levent system's shorter range would allow it to focus on engaging threats that are closer to the frigate. By specifically targeting and intercepting threats in the immediate vicinity, it can complement the Hisar N and SİPER missiles, which are better suited for engaging targets at longer distances.

3. Multiple Target Engagement: The combination of the Gökdeniz CIWS, MIDLAS VLS with Hisar N and SİPER missiles, and the Levent system would provide the frigate with the ability to engage multiple targets simultaneously. This multi-layered air defense approach would enhance the frigate's capability to handle multiple threats in high-intensity scenarios effectively.

4. Flexibility and Redundancy: The addition of the Levent system would offer redundancy in the frigate's air defense capabilities. In case of any system failure or saturation of targets, having multiple systems with different ranges provides flexibility and ensures that the frigate can continue to defend against incoming threats.

5. Enhanced Situational Awareness: The Levent system's integration would contribute to the frigate's overall situational awareness through its advanced radar and sensor capabilities. This enhanced awareness would enable better target tracking, identification, and engagement, improving the frigate's ability to respond to potential threats effectively.

It is important to note that integrating the Levent system into the I-Class frigate would require careful consideration of factors such as structural modifications, weight distribution, stability, and overall performance. Consultation with naval experts and thorough engineering assessments would be necessary to ensure successful integration without compromising the frigate's operational capabilities.

Overall, the addition of the Levent air defense system to the I-Class frigate, alongside the existing Gökdeniz CIWS and MIDLAS VLS system, could provide a more comprehensive and layered air defense capability, particularly in close-range engagements.
 
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In a naval war scenario in the Eastern Mediterranean and Aegean Seas, a frigate equipped with the Gökdeniz CIWS, MIDLAS VLS with Hisar N and SİPER missiles, and the additional Levent air defense system would have an enhanced role and capabilities. Here's how the Levent missiles would add to the frigate's current capabilities:

1. Extended Air Defense Range: The Levent air defense system, with its missiles having a range of 10km, would provide an additional layer of air defense with an extended engagement range compared to the other systems. This would allow the frigate to engage and intercept threats at greater distances, increasing the overall defensive coverage of the naval task group.

2. Multi-Target Engagement: The inclusion of the Levent air defense system would enable the frigate to engage multiple targets simultaneously. With the ability to track and engage multiple threats at once, the frigate would have an improved capacity to defend against saturation attacks or coordinated enemy actions.

3. Enhanced Defense Against Low-Flying Targets: The Levent air defense system is specifically designed to counter low-flying targets, such as sea-skimming missiles or low-altitude aircraft. By adding the Levent system to the frigate's arsenal, it would enhance the vessel's ability to effectively engage and neutralize these types of threats, further bolstering its air defense capabilities.

4. Integrated Air Defense Network: The integration of the Levent air defense system with the existing Gökdeniz CIWS and MIDLAS VLS systems would create a more robust and integrated air defense network. This would allow for better coordination and sharing of sensor data, enabling a more comprehensive and effective response to incoming threats.

5. Flexibility and Redundancy: The addition of the Levent air defense system would provide flexibility and redundancy in the frigate's air defense capabilities. In case of damage or malfunction of one system, the others can still provide protection, ensuring the continuity of air defense operations.

6. Force Multiplication: The combination of the Gökdeniz CIWS, MIDLAS VLS with Hisar N and SİPER missiles, and the Levent air defense system would create a layered and comprehensive air defense capability for the frigate. This would enhance the frigate's ability to operate in high-threat environments and increase the survivability of the naval task group as a whole.

It's important to note that the specific roles and capabilities of the frigate with the Levent air defense system would depend on the overall naval strategy, operational requirements, and the specific threat environment in the Eastern Mediterranean and Aegean Seas. The mentioned benefits are general examples and would be subject to the specific mission and operational context.
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What should be prioritized for I class is DUFAS VDS. (If possible)
Which would be an actual force multiplier and transform the ship into a much safer and capable platform against its most lethal enemy.
 

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For Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW/ missions the İ Class Frigates will have the SH-70 ASW/ASUW Helicopter, Aselsan’s FERSAH hull mounted medium frequency active/passive sonar system and new version of HIZIR Torpedo Defense System with a Towed Array containing both low frequency active (DÜFAS, Low Frequency Active Sonar to replace Towed Decoy) and passive sonar arrays/transducers as well as a winch positioned at the stern of the vessel and a pair of expendable acoustic decoy launchers deployed at port and starboard.
 

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I read that article long time ago, but in later news they cast doubt on that.
Maybe @Anmdt could tell us if DUFAS VDS is confirmed for I class.
 

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So there is a space for LEVENT launcher.
Technically it is possible.
 

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Levent launcher would be bigger.
 

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Ukraine: how uncrewed boats are changing the way wars are fought at sea




Hellfire for hunting USVs

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Hellfire for hunting sea mines!



I was wondering if Turkish Navy consider using UMTAS missiles against USVs.
How Turkish Frigates could stop heavy and fast USV from 25mm gun?
Are there any Vertical Launchers of UMTAS?



Edit:
Göksur's Bozdoğan missile could be used against USVs since it has app 8-9kg warhead ?
 
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Horrible wildfire in Rhodes would be a great showcase of our amphibious surface vessels' humanitarian capabilities. Ç Class Landing craft, Bayraktar sisters and even Anadolu with her helicopters could do some good work. Looks like people are trapped and there aren't enough vessels to remove all the civilians from the island.
 

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I was wondering if Turkish Navy consider using UMTAS missiles against USVs.
How Turkish Frigates could stop heavy and fast USV from 25mm gun?
Are there any Vertical Launchers of UMTAS?
Or, we could use Kuzgun? They have already launched it from Merlin USV, albeit not from VLS, but it could be a good option to use against small surface targets.
 

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Or, we could use Kuzgun? They have already launched it from Merlin USV, albeit not from VLS, but it could be a good option to use against small surface targets.
VL ability is important. Look at Americans how deter Swarm attacks.
 

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We have to put something in the scale of an Arleigh Burke class out there now. All these frigates and stuff are nice and dandy but we got to get real.

And before you say TF-2000, I'd like to remind you that TF-2000 has 64 VLS cells on board as opposed to AB's 96.
 

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Arleigh burke also has a system for reloading its vls in the sea but very slow as I know. By the way is DIMDEG capable of reloading VLS of our ships? I know that it’s not a common thing but could be useful for istif class.

Anyways, our issue is while we have MILDAS, it doesn’t seem like we have been able to standardize all our munitions for it like US has over the years because ours is very recent. Our system is still maturing, but don’t we have smaller missiles we could place on our ships with smaller individual launchers that aren’t hisar? Like why can’t we add 8 / 16 of Gökdemir launchers in to both Istif and Ada class? It’s even supposed to be compatible with Hisar fire control infrastructure which we are also putting on Istif. I mean 1 Hisar per VLS seems to be a waste of space but it is because this was a solution to an unexpected problem so it’s not gonna be perfect.
 

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