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[Anmdt]

Yeni İstif sınıfı fırkateynin inşasına başlandı!

Bu yılın 1 Temmuz Denizcilik ve Kabotaj Bayramı, Türk deniz sanayiinin gurur verici bir başarısı ile taçlandı. Türkiye'nin denizcilik sanayisindeki başarısını bir kez daha gözler önüne seren, TCG İzmit sonrası yapılacak olan 10 numaralı istif sınıfı fırkateynin sac kesim töreni gerçekleştirildi.

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The I-Class Frigate programme is proceeding with the second batch of the 4 ships, after the 9th and 10th ships’ keels have been laid and first steel cuttings have been performed at Sedef shipyards.
The F515, as Milgem 5 ship is now finished and joined the fleet, and F516 to F518 are being produced at the same time in three different shipyards.
Recently it was decided to add 4 more I-Class frigates to the naval force. First two of these four ships are now physically in production.

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Let’s hope that the work on the next 2 ships are started soon too.
More importantly, the work on the Reis Class also is not delayed any further.

Once completed these ships and submarines will be the backbone of our modern navy.

I recall some people telling (read in an appropiate accent) "Turkey can't build many ships at once, not even for their own navy". Now let's see;
7 I-Class
2 Hisar Class - minimum of 6 to come
4 Ukranian Milgem
3 Malaysian Milgem

To be completed by 2030.

 

[boredaf]

I recall some people telling (read in an appropiate accent) "Turkey can't build many ships at once, not even for their own navy". Now let's see;
7 I-Class
2 Hisar Class - minimum of 6 to come
4 Ukranian Milgem
3 Malaysian Milgem

To be completed by 2030.

I just wish we could make a decision on FAC and start planning them already.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The goal is probably to deliver all I-Class by 2028-2030 and then start production of the first TF-2000 destroyer.
I'm still expectin a design by the Navy to slot in between the I-Class (3100 Tonnes) and the TF-2000 (8000-8500 Tonnes)

5000-6000 tonnes design with 6-8 ships to supplement the fleet is necessary imo.
You could split the class between AAW and ASW or just do Multirole for all.

It is up in the air if we will truly see 8 TF-2000 to replace all 8 Gabya ships, I dont believe so honestly.

So maybe going

4+2 TF-2000 ----> partly replacing Gabya
6+2 5000-6000 tonnes design split AAW and ASW or straight Multirole depending on needs---->partly replacing Gabya with the AAW compartment and adding to the fleet
8 I-Class Frigates ---> replacing all Yavuz and Barbaros ships
4 Ada-Class Corvettes
10 Hisar OPV ---> some fully armed most FFBNW
Unknown numbers of new FAC


I'm honestly afraid they will shrink the fleet due to budget problems or keep it at the same number by going ship for ship.
With you much more active the Navy is I truly hope they find the money to expand it. Or else all our endeavors are for naught if we can't actually back them up with credible presence.

But these are just my hopes. Everything can change depending on how the economy goes the next couple years.

Italians are building 6 Constellation Class Frigates for the US Navy. Greeks wish to dovetail on to this programme with a possibility to build some of them in Greece. These are derived from FREMM Class and are 1.1 to 1.2 billion dollar, 151m long, 7300ton ships with 32 VLS tubes.

By the time we start building and finish the first 8500ton TF2000 destroyer, we may see a ship that is upwards of 1.5 billion dollars a piece. Complicated radar, electronics and weapons systems being developed each year, are seeing the cost of modern ships spiralling up in to levels that are becoming too expensive to build. Our I-Class ships are probably touching 550million dollar mark now. (However, by building 7 of them together we may be economising a great deal)

When we had 16 frigates; 8 x Gabya, 4 x Barbaros and 4 x Yavuz class, we were not envisaging showing force in Qatar and Somalia and going in to operations in Libya. Now that we are reaching further afield and having to defend areas in Black Sea as well as Eastern Mediterranean, 16 frigates are not enough to project force. Especially as we now have a large amphibious assault ship to protect and another one being programmed in the pipeline.

For coastal defence and littoral waters, 10 OPVs and 4 Ada Class Corvettes together with 10 new FAC boats like FAC-55 and 16 Tuzla Class ships with some of the old FACs like Kilic Class will do the job.

But for aerial defence and force projection further afield, we will see that, 4 Gabya with VLS will still stay in service for a while. These are 4100ton 136m long ocean faring frigates. And are very capable.
Yavuz Class will be replaced with the first set of 4 I-Class ships.
4 x Gabya class without VLS will probably be replaced by the second set of 4 I-Class, unless we delay building the 4 large new frigates/destroyers..
4 x Barbaros Class MEKO200 ships, having gone through MLU, will stay in service for at least another 15 years.
To supplant the TF2000 with a cheaper version we may add 4 heavy frigates to the fleet that are shorter and lighter version of these destroyers, and are more affordable to build.

As you have mentioned in your last paragraph there are constraints such as budgetary and political that will govern the outcome.

 

[Anmdt]

To supplant the TF2000 with a cheaper version we may add 4 heavy frigates to the fleet that are shorter and lighter version of these destroyers, and are more affordable to build.

I am quite in favor of Babcock's AH140 design if our design resources will be allocated entirely for TF-2000 to accelerate the design phase. among those the least importance is on TT-FAB. I find Milgem MLU, ADKG construction and modular unit designs much more meaningful within the given short term - mid term setting.

I think all shipyards are full right now. Maybe the Istanbul Naval yard could start production but who knows.

@Anmdt is way better versed in this stuff, I'm just writing my hopes and ideas here But I think he too said we won't see production start until the end of this decade, there also was a article a couple months ago I linked here that pretty much stated the same.

Who knows what the plans currently are with the AC project thrown into the mix.

I think one reason was that CAFRAD will be ready in 2028 or later.

TF-2000 will start in Naval Shipyard, this is for sure. But the 2nd-4th hulls will be produced by a private shipyard (likely TAIS). CAFRAD will and may continue on the side as long as TF-2000s contract design stage has been completed (which is going on nowadays).