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As I said, subsonic silliness has no future. It is already dead. The proof is in the pudding. The only weapons that were effective against Israel were the hypersonic ones. The rest was just a huge pile of expensive trash. 'Silliness' was too polite a term; they were just utter trash against good Western air defense tactics. The Greece-Türkiye situation wouldn't be any different from the Israel-Iran faceoff due to the strong Western support in both cases.Turbofan missiles are efficient and gets you further with same amount of fuel but they are the slowest jet engines.
Slow means easy to shoot down. World is moving away from subsonic missiles. America tried staying subsonic with STEALTH but even they are focusing on hypersonic. For one you can't fire a non heat shielded subsonic cruise missile from a hypersonic flying 6th or 7th gen aircraft. So any propulsion tech it is not hypersonic is a dead end and a bad investment for the future.
At least invest in easy to build, store solid fuel hypersonic glider missiles. Arm all your submarines and ships with dozens of laser proof, heat tile covered, hypersonic missiles that can hit moving targets. Who is going to mess with us if we choose to do that instead of current subsonic silliness?
Nah, use the cheap subsonic missile to employ the ADS. The real deal comes with the hypersonic ones.As I said, subsonic silliness has no future. It is already dead. The proof is in the pudding. The only weapons that were effective against Israel were the hypersonic ones. The rest was just a huge pile of expensive trash. 'Silliness' was too polite a term; they were just utter trash against good Western air defense tactics. The Greece-Türkiye situation wouldn't be any different from the Israel-Iran faceoff due to the strong Western support in both cases.
Cruise missiles can fly low and have stealth features. Being close to surface makes it difficult for radars to tell it apart from the ground as well I think when you have airborne platforms, but modern radars might be good enough for that not to matter significantly anymore.Nah, use the cheap subsonic missile to employ the ADS. The real deal comes with the hypersonic ones.
False. Hypersonic missiles don't benefit from lame oversaturation tactics. Their SPEED is enough to overcome all modern air defenses, especially if they don't apogee at space and keep their hypersonic speed in a low altitude hypersonic glider manner.Nah, use the cheap subsonic missile to employ the ADS. The real deal comes with the hypersonic ones.
Airborne radars can see very low flying cruise missiles just fine. Fighter based AD strategy can handle anything subsonic, as America and Israel just demonstrated flawlessly. Stealth can be effective, but only if it is done right. Mastering hypersonic ballistic missiles is easier and much cheaper than mastering true stealth. And Iran just demonstrated their effectiveness against any foe.Cruise missiles can fly low and have stealth features. Being close to surface makes it difficult for radars to tell it apart from the ground as well I think when you have airborne platforms, but modern radars might be good enough for that not to matter significantly anymore.
Hypersonics are fast but at the end may not have enough explosive payload to deliver when you optimize it to go that fast. Maybe as a kinetic penetrator against certain targets? Or well the non conventional warheads.Airborne radars can see very low flying cruise missiles just fine. Fighter based AD strategy can handle anything subsonic, as America and Israel just demonstrated flawlessly. Stealth can be effective, but only if it is done right. Mastering hypersonic ballistic missiles is easier and much cheaper than mastering true stealth. And Iran just demonstrated their effectiveness against any foe.
Not every cruise missile has stealth features.Cruise missiles can fly low and have stealth features. Being close to surface makes it difficult for radars to tell it apart from the ground as well I think when you have airborne platforms, but modern radars might be good enough for that not to matter significantly anymore.
Exactly!Well said. Just a curious question here. But considering how clusterbombs are getting delivered, these subsonic engines we're producing could be used to deliver payload of different kinds in the future.
I also think it was mentioned in the Israel-Palestine thread that the AD systems are better at identifying and hitting active missiles than munition that travels by it's on weight and trajectory.
Do correct me if I'm wrong
But having these propulsion systems gives us a diversity that isn't to be underestimated. We just need to have the production line to make our adversaries to think twice before messing with us.