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[Lool]

Was anything related to F-35 decided at the meeting between Erdogan and Trump? Is a Eurofighter deal now dead?

About the eurofighter, this was released just today by the Middle East Eye

Turkey eyes second-hand Eurofighter jets from Qatar

Sources say Ankara close to securing a deal as Turkey’s defence minister visits Doha

www.middleeasteye.net

 

[TR_123456]

About the eurofighter, this was released just today by the Middle East Eye

Turkey eyes second-hand Eurofighter jets from Qatar

Sources say Ankara close to securing a deal as Turkey’s defence minister visits Doha

www.middleeasteye.net

Could be for training,nothing more.

 

[Sanchez]

Could be for training,nothing more.

Qatar’s oldest aircraft is less than 10 years old and have all MK0 AESA radars. They are not old or outdated, by most metrics they are the most competent EFs flying today.

 

[Cenkcnk]

This is so pathetic that a NATO member is desperately trying to get fighter jets

 

[Khagan1923]

What is more likely to be happen is this:

Qatar gives up its slot for 12 Tranche 4 EF to Turkey and leases a couple of its Tranche 3A for training purposes until the first Tranche 4 EF meant for TurAF arrive.

Qatar has with the F-15QA, Rafale and EF already an formidable enough Air Force for its size. Delaying the arrival of the last 12 Tranche 4 EF won't hurt them.

This way TurAF can start training and can already get its own EF way earlier.

There is a good reason the Air Force wants Tranche 4 and up (Tranche 4+/Tranche 5).

These include the Mk2 Radar, possible LAD and Striker II HMD as well as other improvements.

Would be nice to actually get some actual info on this too. We still don't even know what the supposed package will entail as well as how many fighters we will order in the first place.

 

[Strong AI]

German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul is coming to Ankara on Friday, October 17. He will meet with Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan to discuss the Eurofighter issue.

Alman bakan Eurofighter görüşmeleri için Ankara’ya geliyor – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

 

[begturan]

If Eurofighter aircraft are purchased from Qatar, F16 Özgür modernization deliveries continue, and Anka3, Hürjet, and Kızılelma aircraft enter the inventory, what might the Turkish Air Force's inventory look like in 12 months?

Also will the Hürjet enter the inventory as a trainer or a light attack version?

 

[Sanchez]

German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul is coming to Ankara on Friday, October 17. He will meet with Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan to discuss the Eurofighter issue.

Alman bakan Eurofighter görüşmeleri için Ankara’ya geliyor – Tolga Özbek

tolgaozbek.com

Thought this part of the business was concluded. It's not good news that it wasn't. Wadephul was in Greece 2 days ago to request Greece not veto Turkey's joining of SAFE. If our purchase of EFs is tied to that, it's horrible in fact.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Why are we putting up with this crap? They can keep their SAFE, Eurofighter, F-16/35.
It's time to make a clean break and turn to countries that really deliver, while doing our own thing. Once we've reached a certain level of technological maturity, these countries will come crawling back to us.

 

[boredaf]

Why are we putting up with this crap? They can keep their SAFE, Eurofighter, F-16/35.
It's time to make a clean break and turn to countries that really deliver, while doing our own thing. Once we've reached a certain level of technological maturity, these countries will come crawling back to us.

Sure we can do that, if we are living in a fantasy world.

Take a look at how much of our exports go to those countries that you want to break things with, how much money we make from their countries, how many agreements we have with them, how many components we still use from them in our military industry. Then, take a look at what kind of economical sanctions Russia is under what kind of an effect it had on their economy. Check out Iran or North Korea as well, who can only trade with China or Russia properly.

And which countries are those that deliver, exactly? Russia? The one country that would love to fuck us over in every which way if they could? The one that would've already done so during CCCP era, if we weren't in NATO? China who hates Muslims and practically enslaves all of their debtors? India who hates Muslims and already works against us because of our ties to Pakistan? Countries that are combined still smaller economical markets than the ones you want to break away from, that barely trade with us?

If short-sightedness was an Olympic event, our country would take the gold every single time.

 

[AlperTunga]

If Eurofighter aircraft are purchased from Qatar, F16 Özgür modernization deliveries continue, and Anka3, Hürjet, and Kızılelma aircraft enter the inventory, what might the Turkish Air Force's inventory look like in 12 months?

Also will the Hürjet enter the inventory as a trainer or a light attack version?

TAF inventory will be the same in 12 months! Qatar won't sell us any EF. We should have bought those before Israel attacked Doha. As usual we are late and wasting time unnecessarily with negotiations etc. Özgür modernization is totally stalled because we need Murad AESA radar tests and development to be completed, which will be sometime in 2028 earliest. Also the Gökbora ramjet missile will only be ready around that time. So in a good scenario (also if there is no legal issue with LM to modernize F16s) we may have a good number of F16 at F16V level (or better with Gökbora) in 2030. At this time Greece will probably have 40 F35 operational as well as Rafale and > 100 F16s at F16V level. By 2030 we'll probably also have some 20 or 30 Anka3 and Kizilelma. So the gap against Greece may not be that large in this best scenario (if KE proves to be effective of course). But if Israel also gets into the picture, it'd be different. Also, our enemies might decide to strike earlier if they realize our combo of Murad plus Gökbora being integrated in numerous platforms, especially KE.

 

[Samba]

There are news circulating on the internat that Germany approved EF deal.

 

[Strong AI]

1. Eurofighter Purchase:
   • Turkey is working to buy Eurofighter jets.
   • The UK, Italy, and Spain support the deal.
   • Germany had resisted but has now given preliminary approval.
   • German Foreign Minister is visiting Turkey; Eurofighter is a key topic.
2. Qatar Eurofighters:
   • There are claims that 24 Tranche 3A Eurofighters from Qatar may be transferred to Turkey.
   • This came up during a visit by Turkey’s Defense Minister to Doha.
   • The Turkish Defense Ministry confirmed they’re exploring options for modern aircraft until the domestic KAAN fighter is ready.
3. U.S.-Turkey Defense Relations:
   • A U.S. Congressional Research Service (CRS) report calls Turkey a "swing state" balancing relations with NATO, Russia, China, and the West.
   • The report revisits the F-35 issue—Turkey was removed in 2019 due to its purchase of Russian S-400 systems.
   • Six F-35s built for Turkey remain unused.
4. F-16 Deal:
   • A $23 billion package includes 40 new Block 70 F-16s and upgrades for 79 existing jets.
   • Turkey wants integration of its own weapons and access to the software.
   • With local modernization of the 79 jets, the cost may drop to $7 billion.
   • U.S. Congress has given general approval, but discussions on technology sharing continue.
5. Return to F-35 Program & U.S. Demands:
   • Turkey still wants to rejoin the F-35 program and is negotiating with the U.S. on regional issues.
   • Turkey is offering economic incentives like Boeing aircraft orders and LNG purchases.
6. KAAN Fighter Jet:
   • The KAAN jet will initially use U.S.-made F110 engines.
   • Turkey aims to switch to the locally developed TF-35.000 engine later.
7. C-130J Transport Aircraft:
   • Turkey is buying 12 second-hand C130J planes from the UK.
   • They will be refurbished and delivered starting in 2026.
   • These will strengthen Turkey’s airlift capabilities, especially for disaster response.
8. Tanker and Special Mission Aircraft:
   • Turkey’s KC-135R tankers are aging.
   • New special mission aircraft are being developed with TUSAŞ and ASELSAN, including the HAVA SOJ and updates to the Peace Eagle fleet.

 

[Sanchez]

1. Eurofighter Purchase:
   • Turkey is working to buy Eurofighter jets.
   • The UK, Italy, and Spain support the deal.
   • Germany had resisted but has now given preliminary approval.
   • German Foreign Minister is visiting Turkey; Eurofighter is a key topic.
2. Qatar Eurofighters:
   • There are claims that 24 Tranche 3A Eurofighters from Qatar may be transferred to Turkey.
   • This came up during a visit by Turkey’s Defense Minister to Doha.
   • The Turkish Defense Ministry confirmed they’re exploring options for modern aircraft until the domestic KAAN fighter is ready.
3. U.S.-Turkey Defense Relations:
   • A U.S. Congressional Research Service (CRS) report calls Turkey a "swing state" balancing relations with NATO, Russia, China, and the West.
   • The report revisits the F-35 issue—Turkey was removed in 2019 due to its purchase of Russian S-400 systems.
   • Six F-35s built for Turkey remain unused.
4. F-16 Deal:
   • A $23 billion package includes 40 new Block 70 F-16s and upgrades for 79 existing jets.
   • Turkey wants integration of its own weapons and access to the software.
   • With local modernization of the 79 jets, the cost may drop to $7 billion.
   • U.S. Congress has given general approval, but discussions on technology sharing continue.
5. Return to F-35 Program & U.S. Demands:
   • Turkey still wants to rejoin the F-35 program and is negotiating with the U.S. on regional issues.
   • Turkey is offering economic incentives like Boeing aircraft orders and LNG purchases.
6. KAAN Fighter Jet:
   • The KAAN jet will initially use U.S.-made F110 engines.
   • Turkey aims to switch to the locally developed TF-35.000 engine later.
7. C-130J Transport Aircraft:
   • Turkey is buying 12 second-hand C130J planes from the UK.
   • They will be refurbished and delivered starting in 2026.
   • These will strengthen Turkey’s airlift capabilities, especially for disaster response.
8. Tanker and Special Mission Aircraft:
   • Turkey’s KC-135R tankers are aging.
   • New special mission aircraft are being developed with TUSAŞ and ASELSAN, including the HAVA SOJ and updates to the Peace Eagle fleet.

At 5:50, he mentions Turkey receiving the rights to tinker with F-16s during Sweden&Finland NATO spat. Turkey originally received rights to F-16 B30&40 computers at the same time with CCIP. Now also received for CCIP, B50 and B50+ as well? I wasn't aware of this.

 

[mTT]

German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul:

Germany and Turkey face major challenges in enhancing NATO's defense capabilities in Europe.

We have decided that Turkey can increase its deterrence as an ally with the help of Eurofighter aircraft. This is in our interest.

Turkey is a key strategic partner for us within the NATO alliance.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1979099278539661421

 

[Sanchez]

Per Bloomberg, Erdogan will directly mention the Qatari EFs during his visit.

Fatih is right to point out all three countries mentioned(Qatar, Kuwait, Oman) are EF users. Kuwait also have 3As.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1980576814356394423

 

[TheInsider]

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16-24 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters.

 

[boredaf]

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters.

This is embarrassing, they've turned us into Greece, begging for other countries' scraps. What's next, getting amphibious vehicles from US that drowned their marines?

 

[MonteCarlo]

I am not against the Qatari deal because we simply don't have the time to wait for the production lane but is buying second hand aircraft that is not even 5 years old really cheaper than buying brand new. I would have guessed that current global climate would make secondhand jets with quick delivery schedule more valuable

Turkiye wants to buy 24 Tranche 3A aircraft from Qatar and 16-24 new Tranche 4 from the UK. There is simply not enough money to buy brand new 40 Eurofighters

 

[Yasar_TR]

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I don’t know if this was posted here before. But according to this news piece the first Ozgur F16 that has Murad Aesa radar is now flying under tail no 87-0019.

The plan is to furnish all Block-30 aircraft with the Aesa radar (Ozgur-2 modernisation) during 2025 to 2027 time period. In addition to this by 2030 to have all Block 40 and 50 aircraft converted to Ozgur-2 status.

The decision to do this was taken and necessary agreements were signed in 2023 to provide parts to make it happen starting from 2025.

F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50’ler için ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi imzalandı

ÖZGÜR-2 Projesi resmen başlatıldı. Proje kapsamında Türk Hava Kuvvetleri envanterindeki F-16 Blok 30,40 ve 50 uçakları modernize edilecek

www.savunmasanayist.com