TR Air-Force EF Typhoon

[Zafer]

This whole shopping spree should turn into a Kaan sales boom going forward as today's sellers deserve it having handed over their fighters.

 

[Sanchez]

My brainfreeze, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar all operate 3As, with ECRS MK0 AESA radars

Correction: Omani EFs still use mechanical CAPTOR-Ms. Still very good radars; but not AESA; but with a future idea to upgrade them to ECRS Mk0

I wonder how would the fleet composition be with both Captor-Ms and Mk0 Captor-Es. With more funding, T3As as well as RAF T3s can be upgraded to future Mk2 ECRS; which was proposed in the past. New builds from UK line for TurAF will probably come with Mk2s.

So if Omani, Qatari and new built jets are received, we will have both Captor-M, and Mk0 and Mk2 Captor-Es. Could there be a future plan to upgrade Captor-M and Mk0s with Murad, that'd be interesting.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Correction: Omani EFs still use mechanical CAPTOR-Ms. Still very good radars; but not AESA; but with a future idea to upgrade them to ECRS Mk0

I wonder how would the fleet composition be with both Captor-Ms and Mk0 Captor-Es. With more funding, T3As as well as RAF T3s can be upgraded to future Mk2 ECRS; which was proposed in the past. New builds from UK line for TurAF will probably come with Mk2s.

So if Omani, Qatari and new built jets are received, we will have both Captor-M, and Mk0 and Mk2 Captor-Es. Could there be a future plan to upgrade Captor-M and Mk0s with Murad, that'd be interesting.

According to media sources, Omani Typhoons being Tranche-3 were programmed to upgrade to ECRS-MK2 radar.

If, somehow Türkiye manages to buy Qatari Typhoons and a quantity from Oman, then in due course as our new production Typhoons start to join the fleet, the older ones can be upgraded to ECRS-MK2 level. It may be prudent to include this possibility in the negotiations.
This is not a cheap exercise either. UK has an upgrade program for its around 40 Tranche-3 Typhoons at a cost of 2.35billion GBP. (approximately 50 to 60 million per plane as some of this cost involves development cost of fitting new radar to old planes).

Integrating local Murad Aesa radar would most likely involve extensive electronic parts change and prove to be prohibitively costly; apart from requiring source code access.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Correction: Omani EFs still use mechanical CAPTOR-Ms. Still very good radars; but not AESA; but with a future idea to upgrade them to ECRS Mk0

I wonder how would the fleet composition be with both Captor-Ms and Mk0 Captor-Es. With more funding, T3As as well as RAF T3s can be upgraded to future Mk2 ECRS; which was proposed in the past. New builds from UK line for TurAF will probably come with Mk2s.

So if Omani, Qatari and new built jets are received, we will have both Captor-M, and Mk0 and Mk2 Captor-Es. Could there be a future plan to upgrade Captor-M and Mk0s with Murad, that'd be interesting.

Still with 40 eurofighter we cant secure superiority in quantity nor quality . We need at least 100 eurofightets
- 40 new T4
- 24 T3 Qatari
- 12 T3 Omani
- 30 Used UK T1 ( we can upgrade or used for training .
For a country like Turkiye which look itself as world power or major regional power new 40 fighter are nothing , if u look those fake tiny Qatari, Oman , danmark , serbia croatia , finland are getting 40 fighter jets .
Turkiye MUST have at least 400 modern fighter jets .

 

[Zafer]

An unlimited number of Kızılelma and Anka3 can shift the balance of air power to our side in 3 years before any new foreign jet can be inducted.

 

[Zafer]

Heavy Electronic attack by enemy and can you still use kizilelma or other drones ! While manned jets are another matter , they still can fly under electronic attack and at least bring jet back home not into the sea or at enemy airbase

Even TB2 comes back

 

[Sanchez]

Even TB2 comes back

Debatable, there have been cases of Baykar drones dropping without missile/gun damage over unfriendly territory; it's not a guarantee, probably 60 to 40. EW and counter EW is hard.

30 Used UK T1

There are no 30 RAF T1s. That number is like 18 at most, including the birds to be cannibalized.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Debatable, there have been cases of Baykar drones dropping without missile/gun damage over unfriendly territory; it's not a guarantee, probably 60 to 40. EW and counter EW is hard.


There are no 30 RAF T1s. That number is like 18 at most, including the birds to be cannibalized.

UK had 52 T1 and 26 / 30 have been retired only 4 are active and will be retired in 2027 , T2 in 2030 but we can go aslo for T2 which we can buy very cheap use them for training , spare parts even modernise with our modern systems and UKA HAVE 60+ t2

 

[Sanchez]

UK had 52 T1 and 26 / 30 have been retired only 4 are active and will be retired in 2027

Of those retired, most are not in a flyable condition as far as we are aware; maybe like 15, not including the 4 jets in the Falklands, because they are not letting those go before 2027. They are still yet to order new aircraft.

If this buy finally happens, there's also the training. I had talked about the joint Qatari-RAF 12SQN in the past. We'll probably see a similar arrangement with RAF. But, do they have the birds to allocate?

HvKK chief visited the 12 joint RAF/Qatari squadron as RAF chief's guest. (aircraft shown here however is from the 11 Squadron from the same base). I think they are actively studying creating a joint Turkish/RAF squadron for training. as we previously discussed.

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[Turkic]

- 40 new T4
- 30 Used UK T1 ( we can upgrade or used for training .

RAF Typhoon T1 retirement sparks UK defense industry debate

The RAF's retirement of Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche 1 fighters has sparked debate over UK defense and industrial strategy, and reliance on US-made F-35 jets.

www.aerotime.aero

British Eurofighter retirements give us a new clue.

Of 49 Typhoon T1s,

4 remain in active service.
10 are set aside as spare-part aircraft for T2/T3s.
29 are to be disposed of.
4 will be used for ground training aids.

And 2 are being considered for sale.

Those two should be the ones we will get for training purposes.

We will probably get 24/40 T4 and 2 T1 from the UK

 

[Samba]

Anyone with insider info from Gulf visit?

We would be happy to hear

 

[Sanchez]

Anyone with insider info from Gulf visit?

We would be happy to hear

Some stuff were signed at highest level with no details.

If they did get agreements with one or two countries for their jets; I think those would still be announced after actual deal is signed with EF consortium.

 

[Sanchez]

Some stuff were signed at highest level with no details.

If they did get agreements with one or two countries for their jets; I think those would still be announced after actual deal is signed with EF consortium.

Erdoğan, few minutes ago:

"Under the coordination of my Minister of National Defense, we have been discussing the purchase of Eurofighter fighter jets with our counterparts in Qatar and Oman for some time now. The negotiations we have been conducting on this matter, which involves many technical details, are progressing positively. One is Qatar, the other is Oman. I have also held these talks. My Defense Minister and Foreign Minister have also held these talks. They will continue these discussions in the coming period. We want to bring these talks to a swift conclusion and, God willing, strengthen our Air Force considerably. With the purchase of these aircraft, our Air Force will become much stronger."

Katar ve Umman'dan Eurofighter alımı | STAR

Haberin detayları için tıklayınız

www.star.com.tr

First official mention of Omani aircraft indeed being talked about. But again, only "talks". If an agreement was reached, expect finalization with the deal signed; not before. Export control and all that; won't be a thing before the real deal is signed.

More claims and talks. We had already talked about Starmer coming to Turkey this month; more details from Özbek:

British MoD and RAF chief along with BAE admins will be present. Not so tiny chance of a deal being reached then. Özbek claims Turkey wants the 24 Qatari EFs and the slots for the 12 T4s they ordered to be transferred to Turkey.

"The report stated that delivery of the Eurofighter aircraft is scheduled to begin next year, but that new F-16s are not expected to arrive in Turkey before 2030. This gap is considered a decisive factor in the Turkish Air Force's decision to turn to European-made aircraft to meet its urgent modernization needs."

İngiltere Başbakanı Türkiye'ye geliyor - Tolga Özbek

Gelecek hafta Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan'ın daveti ile İngiltere Başbakanı Starmer Ankara'ya bir ziyaret gerçekleştirecek. Eurofighter'ın da masada olacağı ziyaret

tolgaozbek.com

 

[TheInsider]

There is too much speculation regarding this issue. There are a ton of numbers and scenarios.

 

[AlperTunga]

Oman EFs have Captor-M which is a mechanical radar installed in Tranch 3A. We should aim for Qatari ones with Captor-E AESA, unless an upgrade of the radar is not costly. 24 Qatari EF plus 40 new EFs should be the bridging goal. Otherwise they wont give us flexibility to integrate our own stuff and also from viewpoint of economics of operation. Pursuing F35 will only cost us more time, though we can still try after securing the EFs. But in addition and not as alternative.

 

[Ripley]

There is too much speculation regarding this issue. There are a ton of numbers and scenarios.

True. Many speculation.
Truth, though, always hunts you down.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1981646529334038599

Arda Mevlütoğlu:
“It is gratifying to see that the efforts we spent to acquire the second-hand version of a plane for which we received an invitation back in the day to become the fifth consortium member (and which we rejected) are beginning to bear fruit.”

OUCH!

 

[Yasar_TR]

Türkiye'ye 2 ülkeden 34 uçak: Eurofighter filosu geliyor

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin ilk etapta Katar'dan 24, Umman'dan 10 Eurofighter savaş uçağı alımında son aşamaya gelindi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

This site seems it knows best!!!

According to this site, Türkiye has more or less consolidated an agreement if last stage on the purchase of 24 Qatari and 10 Omani Typhoon jets is finalised.
According to this news Türkiye is choosing to purchase second hand jets in order to get possession of them quickly in place of some of the 40 planes they were to have manufactured.

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Türkiye'ye 2 ülkeden 34 uçak: Eurofighter filosu geliyor

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin ilk etapta Katar'dan 24, Umman'dan 10 Eurofighter savaş uçağı alımında son aşamaya gelindi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

This site seems it knows best!!!

According to this site, Türkiye has more or less consolidated an agreement if last stage on the purchase of 24 Qatari and 10 Omani Typhoon jets is finalised.
According to this news Türkiye is choosing to purchase second hand jets in order to get possession of them quickly in place of some of the 40 planes they were to have manufactured.

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

Those used 34 second hand jets are part of total 40 jet or not !
That mean Turkiye will buy 34 ısed jets + 40 new ones ?? Total 74 ?

 

[Khagan1923]

Türkiye'ye 2 ülkeden 34 uçak: Eurofighter filosu geliyor

Ekonomi - Türkiye'nin ilk etapta Katar'dan 24, Umman'dan 10 Eurofighter savaş uçağı alımında son aşamaya gelindi.

ekonomi.haber7.com

This site seems it knows best!!!

According to this site, Türkiye has more or less consolidated an agreement if last stage on the purchase of 24 Qatari and 10 Omani Typhoon jets is finalised.
According to this news Türkiye is choosing to purchase second hand jets in order to get possession of them quickly in place of some of the 40 planes they were to have manufactured.

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

Oman only operates 12 EF Tranche 3A fighters. Why would they hand 10 of those over to us. I also believe they are not equipped with any AESA radar? Not sure though.

So Qatari EF have Captor-E (AESA) while Omani fly with Captor-M (MSA) . Huge difference.


This news makes no sense. Oman has no reason to hand over 30% of its Air Force to us and we have no reason in being interested in 10 year old EF which are not even equipped with AESA Radars.

The only other country whose EF would make sense for us are Kuwaits.

 

[Sanchez]

This seems to deviate from those news that suggested 40 + used quantities.

There are no viable 40 used aircraft to be had in the first place. It seems TurAF already ended any thoughts of T1s in numbers years ago. Maybe 1-5 test aircraft that won't be combat ready.

10 Omani Typhoon jets

Oman has no reason to hand over 30% of its Air Force to us and we have no reason in being interested in 10 year old EF which are not even equipped with AESA Radars

There are some talks of Omanis having issues with maintaining their EFs; which is interesting; because they already employ actual Brits to maintain and sometimes to fly them via Ex-RAF pilots. Unless they are strapped for money, how does that work? But regardless, if they are thinking about offloading them, what does keeping 2 aircraft for themselves achieve?

Omani T3As with their Captor-Ms are still very potent aircraft with now outdated tech; but still better than anything we have for A2A. And they can be modernized to have Captor-E.

That mean Turkiye will buy 34 ısed jets + 40 new ones ?? Total 74 ?

We don't know. One idea could be to gather all these Gulf EFs from these 3 countries, and the 12 Qatari T4 slots from BAE. But EF Consortium hardly earns anything in this plan. A Turkey with only used aircraft and half a squadron worth T4s would thinker with them heavily in 5 years.

One idea could be to get the Qatari T3As, send the Omani T3As to be modernized to BAE, and get the 12 Qatari T4 slots as well as some number of a fresh order. In such a plan, Qatari aircraft would come to Konya in 2026, modded Omani birds would start from mid-late 2027, and fresh builds from 2028.

I don't think idea is to just a total of 40 aircraft, we would see at least 50-60 in time.