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[Yasar_TR]

This is MIUS, Akinci, Aksungur thread. Please stay on topic. Non topic posts WILL be deleted.

 

[Stuka]

Finally AKINCI PT-4 with P&W PT-6 (750HP) Engines had its first flight.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499044981138288640

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AKINCI has been exported to 2 Countries already.

AKINCI C will have 2x 950 HP (Motor Sich MS-500-V) Engines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499046837357006849

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499048789948211203

 

[astragan]

Was this previously announced or are they accelerating the project? I hope that these engines can safely pass the endurance tests.
Is there any information/projection about maximum flight duration with or without payload for the B and C models?

edit: I believe masallah should also be inserted here

 

[SaR]

I think there needs to be an Akinci variant with bigger airframe. New subsystems, full size sensors. Full size munitions.

Satellite sensors can be technically put to bigger Akinci, optical sensors etc. STM Lagari.

 

[comolokko]

I can %100 confirm that this is fake news.

publishing fake news is what Russians do best.

note: If Turkey does such a thing, even me as a Turkish citizen will lose my trust.

 

[SaR]

Poland likely going to be alternative to Ukraine for first international Baykar Center

I think sales will require Baykar to set up assembly plants etc. in different countries.

 

[Hexciter]

STM: Our technology has no limits!
Thanks to the RF Seeker Head we have developed, our national pride KARGU will detect enemy radar and electronic warfare systems and destroy its target with armor-piercing ammunition!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499067409533181953

 

[Ecderha]

STM: Our technology has no limits!
Thanks to the RF Seeker Head we have developed, our national pride KARGU will detect enemy radar and electronic warfare systems and destroy its target with armor-piercing ammunition!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499067409533181953

So we can conclude that "new" KARGU will have 1.optical camera and 2. RF searching capablity?

"RF searching radar" is high tech. Which is still HIGH COST for kamikaze drone. What you think?

 

[Brokengineer]

Finally AKINCI PT-4 with P&W PT-6 (750HP) Engines had its first flight.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499044981138288640

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AKINCI has been exported to 2 Countries already.

AKINCI C will have 2x 950 HP (Motor Sich MS-500-V) Engines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499046837357006849

Arent pw engines going to be problem for exports same as cts800 engines?
Also, as far as i know, there will be high power variant of ai450 which is expected to be 750hp for akinci b. Now learning that it is actually pw engine suprised me.

 

[Huelague]

No picture or informations of Goksungur?

 

[Oublious]

Arent pw engines going to be problem for exports same as cts800 engines?
Also, as far as i know, there will be high power variant of ai450 which is expected to be 750hp for akinci b. Now learning that it is actually pw engine suprised me.

No, if you are good with the West you can use it like Wescam used in different countries.

 

[Abdelaziz]

Arent pw engines going to be problem for exports same as cts800 engines?
Also, as far as i know, there will be high power variant of ai450 which is expected to be 750hp for akinci b. Now learning that it is actually pw engine suprised me.

Turkey should work harder for engines .. this problem must come to an end ASAP ... A turbo probe version of ts1400 should be developed .. lower and higher version also

 

[kimov]

I think there needs to be an Akinci variant with bigger airframe. New subsystems, full size sensors. Full size munitions.

Satellite sensors can be technically put to bigger Akinci, optical sensors etc. STM Lagari.

STM Lagari is micro satellite with weight less 100kg. Akinci could carry 15 of those sats including the cams. Even TB2 could carry several of them without a problem.

Also what is a full size senors? A 35mm camera sensor? If you are referring to that the images are not 50 mega pixels like some consumer cameras then that is due to bandwidth limitation and sensor tech for IR, not sensor size.

What is a full size munition? Isn't 1000kg bomb enough for you? Or a cruise missile?

 

[Hexciter]

Ukraine’s Secret Weapon Against Russia: Turkish Drones​

A Bayraktar TB2 drone before a test flight at the Hmelnitski military base in Ukraine on March 20, 2019.

Press Office of the President of Ukraine / Mykola Lararenko / Handout/Anadolu Agency/Getty Images
BY BILLY PERRIGO
MARCH 1, 2022 3:40 PM EST
In a video that went viral on Twitter Sunday night, a massive explosion rips through what appears to be a Russian convoy, scoring a direct hit on a surface-to-air missile system.
The black-and-white footage, posted to the account of the Ukrainian armed forces, is one of several that have emerged on social media in recent days showing the devastating impact of Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian hardware. As the drone’s payload explodes in the video—which appears to be a cellphone recording of a screen in a Ukrainian drone facility—people at the facility can be heard gasping in awe before breaking out in cheers and applause.
The video racked up more than 3 million views on Twitter in two days. “Have fear, enemies! There will be no peace for you on our earth!” the Ukrainian armed forces wrote in the video’s caption.
The star of this video and others circulating on Twitter is the Bayraktar TB2 – a type of Turkish drone that the Ukrainian military has increasingly deployed against Russian forces in recent days. On Tuesday, the Ukrainian military said that Bayraktar drones had destroyed one tank and two surface-to-air missile systems overnight. In other videos shared on Twitter, Bayraktar drones, in use by the military since at least 2021, are shown blowing up what appears to be a Russian fuel convoy and a group of supply trucks.
The drones are small and lightweight, (around seven times lighter than the U.S. military’s Reaper drone,) with a 12-meter wingspan that allows them to remain in the sky for up to 30 hours at a time. Each drone can each carry four laser-guided missiles, according to promotional material from Baykar Technologies, the company that produces them.

The impact of Bayraktar drones in Ukraine​

Ukraine’s drone campaign has contributed to its early successes in slowing the Russian advance, and is revealing unexpected weaknesses on the part of the Russian army, U.S. and European military analysts say. Perhaps more significantly, analysts add, the videos are also becoming an increasingly prominent part of Ukraine’s information war – giving Russian invaders a reason to fear their enemy, and providing a vital boost for Ukrainian morale amid fears of a coming military onslaught. Even so, the drones are unlikely to change the long-term course of the war, analysts point out.
“The footage released by the Ukraine military shows serious defects in Russian air defense cover, which is a surprise for many observers,” says Arda Mevlütoğlu, a Turkish military and aerospace analyst. “The footage is also very useful for PR and psychological warfare.”
Reliable and accurate military drones were once the exclusive purview of the U.S. military. But the technology has become more commonplace in recent years, and is now a fixture of many 21st century battlefields. And Turkey is now the preeminent supplier. In the last two years, Turkish Bayraktar drones have appeared not only in Ukraine, but also Ethiopia, Azerbaijan, Libya and Syria. Last year in Ethiopia, a rebel force was bearing down on the capital Addis Ababa before the government repelled them with the drones. In the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia in 2020, Turkish drones proved decisive in the Azeri victory against Armenia – a Russian ally.
Turkey’s growing role as a drone power
For Turkey, a NATO member, the drone sales to Ukraine align with its military interests – namely preserving the balance of power in the Black Sea region, according to Galip Dalay, a specialist on Turkish and Middle Eastern politics at Chatham House, a London international affairs think tank.
While Bayraktar drones are manufactured by a private company, Baykar Technologies, the drones are widely seen to be an arm of Turkish foreign policy. The company’s chief technology officer, Selçuk Bayraktar, is the son-in-law of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. “Countries like the U.S., China, Israel, denied to sell Ukraine armed UAVs,” said Haluk Bayraktar, the company’s CEO and Selçuk’s brother, during a webinar in May 2021. “Turkey was the only country to accept to sell Ukraine this technology.”
Turkish foreign policy has also animated the presence of Bayraktar drones in Syria, Libya and Azerbaijan – all battlefields where Russian and Turkish proxies face off. “Drones give Turkey a geopolitical edge,” Dalay says. “It’s one thing to engage in conventional fighting in places like Libya or Syria, but it’s another thing to employ drones. Drones make Turkey’s job easier.”
In other cases, like Ethiopia, Turkish drone sales are likely motivated more by economic drivers than political ones. Turkey attached no political conditions to its drone exports, unlike the U.S., according to Mevlütoğlu.
The videos of Bayraktar drones visiting death upon Russian convoys have almost certainly been shared by the Ukrainian military to raise morale. But with a large column of Russian vehicles trundling toward Kyiv, any Ukrainian morale stemming from videos of drone strikes is likely to be short-lived. Baykar, on the other hand, looks set to reap the rewards long into the future. “Now that Turkey has a growing defense industry, you want to showcase your items as battle-tested,” Dalay says. “Those kinds of conflict zones have become major PR for the Turkish drone industry.”

Ukraine’s Secret Weapon Against Russia: Turkish Drones

Videos of Ukrainian drone strikes are a crucial weapon in the propaganda war as well as in the military one

time.com

 

[SaR]

STM Lagari is micro satellite with weight less 100kg. Akinci could carry 15 of those sats including the cams. Even TB2 could carry several of them without a problem.

Also what is a full size senors? A 35mm camera sensor? If you are referring to that the images are not 50 mega pixels like some consumer cameras then that is due to bandwidth limitation and sensor tech for IR, not sensor size.

What is a full size munition? Isn't 1000kg bomb enough for you? Or a cruise missile?

Using optical sensors developed for satellites fitted to an UAV variant for imagery intelligence.

F16 subsystems that are possible, laser warning receiver, radar warning receiver. Towed decoy. EHSIM.

Feasibility, I don't know. But there is a lot of potential different variants. Advanced subsystems from other programs.

 

[Ardabas34]

They are trying to pull us into this war. Be awake everyone! Nobody knows how effective TB-2s have been yet. If west rushes this fast to compliment something of us, I would triple check it.

 

[Crush716]

They are trying to pull us into this war. Be awake everyone! Nobody knows how effective TB-2s have been yet. If west rushes this fast to compliment something of us, I would triple check it.

Is it not possible that the west is actually really impressed with the performance of the TB-2s? I think it’s time that Turkey as of whole stop with the paranoia of “ o we should think twice if the world is complimenting us because they’re going to f**k us in the end” mentality. TB-2s are effective and I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise

 

[Brokengineer]

Is it not possible that the west is actually really impressed with the performance of the TB-2s? I think it’s time that Turkey as of whole stop with the paranoia of “ o we should think twice if the world is complimenting us because they’re going to f**k us in the end” mentality. TB-2s are effective and I don’t think anyone can argue otherwise

Of course, it is possible that west is questioning the advance of turkish drones in battlefield because it works.

I quadruple checked.

If tb2's were not impressive, western parts suppilers were not eager to advertise their electro optics by saying "it is precise, we made it" kind of propaganda.

Tb2 is best in tactical class ucav. Period.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499157622934675464

I need a lot of catching up to do in this thread, so hope this hasn’t been shared yet