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Question: why Turkiye engineers is using hensoldt argos-II on this Anka ?

I :rolleyes: personally do NOT expect anything good from Main embargo countries (germany, usa, holland, canada, france etc.) against Turkiye!
CATS did not have the technical performance expected of it. It is expected that many problems'll be solved with Aselsan's MEROPS(Aselflir600)

 

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Question: why Turkiye engineers is using hensoldt argos-II on this Anka ?

I :rolleyes: personally do NOT expect anything good from Main embargo countries (germany, usa, holland, canada, france etc.) against Turkiye!
It's South African
 

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How will the TB-3 land on LHD? with hook ?
From what is written in Turkish press and what Baykar is insinuating, they intend to land this UAV under it’s own power.
There is a runway that is well under 200m in length. (The ship is 232 metres in length. There is a recess at the back and a big lift area that needs to be kept clear of). Some of this runway is also part of the ski lift.
Unless they employ a makeshift portable hook and arrester cable system, it doesnt seem very feasible for conventional landing.
 

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From what is written in Turkish press and what Baykar is insinuating, they intend to land this UAV under it’s own power.
There is a runway that is well under 200m in length. (The ship is 232 metres in length. There is a recess at the back and a big lift area that needs to be kept clear of). Some of this runway is also part of the ski lift.
Unless they employ a makeshift portable hook and arrester cable system, it doesnt seem very feasible for conventional landing.

I think Baykar is planning exactly the same as with the MQ9B STOL: taking off and landing on her own, without hooks, without catapulting

 

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I think Baykar is planning exactly the same as with the MQ9B STOL: taking off and landing on her own, without hooks, without catapulting

MQ9B STOL seems to be relying only on good braking capability and some optimized slowing procedure before touch down. If Baykar pulls this off nicely they can bring a fantastic throughput capability to carrier operations of the Turkish Navy.
 

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I think Baykar is planning exactly the same as with the MQ9B STOL: taking off and landing on her own, without hooks, without catapulting

Nice Infograph and video. But do we know the length of runway needed to stop a 1.2 ton UAV and the stall speed at which the TB3 has to be over while landing? And how long a runway is needed to achieve this?
Then again when landing if TB3 discards excess fuel and ammunition, then the weight to be stopped will come down a lot. But still not very feasible considering the short runway available for landing.
If they can manage all this within around 150metres then great stuff!
 

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Nice Infograph and video. But do we know the length of runway needed to stop a 1.2 ton UAV and the stall speed at which the TB3 has to be over while landing? And how long a runway is needed to achieve this?
Then again when landing if TB3 discards excess fuel and ammunition, then the weight to be stopped will come down a lot. But still not very feasible considering the short runway available for landing.
If they can manage all this within around 150metres then great stuff!
We do not have to know, therefor we have our national Einstein Selçuk.

If he says it is doable, I am inclined to believe it

Ask me about electronics I can answer you but ask me about avionics I am a dimwit. everyone should leave the specialties to specialists. I would also not advice a surgeon how to operate a patient
 
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We do not have to know, therefor we have our national Einstein Selçuk.
I am afraid I don’t agree with this statement.

The reason we have this forum is because there are people here that need to know. The whole idea of forums like this being there is for discussing matters like this and drawing solutions to problems that we have in our minds. That is why you are a Think Tank Analyst. To think further rather than brush aside possible solutions.

No matter how capable and how ingenious Mr Selcuk Bayraktar is, he is driven by capitalist and political views. You can not take everything he says as gospel.
Besides he hasn’t totally clarified how TB-3 will be landing on TCG Anadolu. There were talk about stopping the plane with some form of net at one time.

Let us keep an open mind and discuss freely , rather than block free thought. You are free to believe what you say in the meantime.
 
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Hi , May be our answer not classic approach to problem like stopping, catching A Jet at aircraft carrier. Looking old time solutions. We can use an old technology to take off for both Tb3s and KEs. Probably many of you similar to term JATO (jet assisted take off), RATO (rocket assisted take off) previously mentioned at forum . Although I search net , i cant find any information about landing. May be at manned platform because of negative G ( my personal guess) it can not be applied but at unmanned platforms it is not big problem. So both KE and TB3 may be use modified RATO solutions for both take off and also landing. So we don't need to modify platform. It is generic solution for same class ships many user can prefer this if applicable.

 
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Besides he hasn’t totally clarified how TB-3 will be landing on TCG Anadolu
Neither they have presented it to Turkish Navy apart from this; it is "planned" to land without any assistance. Even with this option the Navy demands a net (similar to ones used in ACs to catch Jets as last resort in case of malfunction etc) to be installed at each landing.

Also they will need to demonstrate the take off and landing on land based test facilities to show it is doable, before even trying it on Anadolu.
 

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If Baykar won't find a good solution I will suggest them my own solution which still needs to be proven to work.
 

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I am afraid I don’t agree with this statement.

The reason we have this forum is because there are people here that need to know. The whole idea of forums like this being there is for discussing matters like this and drawing solutions to problems that we have in our minds. That is why you are a Think Tank Analyst. To think further rather than brush aside possible solutions.

No matter how capable and how ingenious Mr Selcuk Bayraktar is, he is driven by capitalist and political views. You can not take everything he says as gospel.
Besides he hasn’t totally clarified how TB-3 will be landing on TCG Anadolu. There were talk about stopping the plane with some form of net at one time.

Let us keep an open mind and discuss freely , rather than block free thought. You are free to believe what you say in the meantime.

Nope why would Baykar need you to know? We are here on the forum to learn and to discuss and yes sure we can forward our ideas and thoughts. You give your opinion, which is fine and I say I am sure the experts of these matters know better.

Nobody here on the forum can name anyone who knows matter on drones better than Selçuk Bayraktar, he is simply the Einstein of his field of expertise as Einstein was the expert in physics. Above all the Americans show with the MQ9B STOL that taking off and landing on small strips is possible. During WW2 planes landed on ships much smaller than L400 so why should it not be possible?
 

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TEI-PD222ST seems sufficient for take off. But it seems like automatic and sensor aids will come into play on landing. The net can be used to stop it but this is something that doesn't attract me.
 

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I really hope that the TB3 can land on TCG Anadolu without assistance. It would be a fantastic first for us and for this ship as well.

MQ9B is a 12500lb (5670kg) weight UAV. And needs at least 1000m long runway.
MQ9B-STOL version is a streamlined one with 7000lb (3170kg) weight and needing just under 305m runway to land and take off with full load and take off with much reduced weight from as short as 122metres. Even though the original STOL version design has a 950HP turboprop engine that propels it so that it can take off from flat surfaced ships without the need for a ski lift, the MoJave version is to use a 450HP light weight RR engine with twin turbine sections to assist in weight and immediate power. Up to this date there isn’t one that is even flown or landed yet. But it is in design form and being offered to prospective MQ9B buyers as a kit to convert them to STOL version.

Taking off from TCG Anadolu shouldn’t be a problem for a 1200kg TB3 with a 220HP engine. It is the landing that is a problem. The plane has to clear that large lift at the back. And has a very short run before it reaches the ski lift.
But as @Anmdt has pointed out it needs to be tried and tested on the ground first before it can be landed on a wobbly and on the move TCG Anadolu. (mind you; on the move against the wind, will even help with the braking in landing)
 
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I really hope that the TB3 can land on TCG Anadolu without assistance. It would be a fantastic first for us and for this ship as well.

MQ9B is a 12500lb (5670kg) weight UAV. And needs at least 1000m long runway.
MQ9B-STOL version is a streamlined one with 7000lb (3170kg) weight and needing just under 305m runway to land and take off with full load and take off with much reduced weight from as short as 122metres. Even though the original STOL version design has a 950HP turboprop engine that propels it so that it can take off from flat surfaced ships without the need for a ski lift, the MoJave version is to use a 450HP light weight RR engine with twin turbine sections to assist in weight and immediate power. Up to this date there isn’t one that is even flown or landed yet. But it is in design form and being offered to prospective MQ9B buyers as a kit to convert them to STOL version.

Taking off from TCG Anadolu shouldn’t be a problem for a 1200kg TB3 with a 220HP engine. It is the landing that is a problem. The plane has to clear that large lift at the back. And has a very short run before it reaches the ski lift.
But as @Anmdt has pointed out it needs to be tried and tested on the ground first before it can be landed on a wobbly and on the move TCG Anadolu. (mind you; on the move against the wind, will even help with the braking in landing)
TB3 has an MTOW of 1450kg and will probably need to land with around 1400kg loads on occasion. For take off it can either take off without assist or it can use a cable tug to get up to speed. For landing a solid wheel braking system coupled with a full lenght of the landing strip can be utilized. The slowing capability of the plane in the air can be augmented with larger ailerons. These precautions may or may not be sufficient for smooth operations. Ideally you don't want a landing plane to prevent another plane from taking off. When landing and take off are totally independent a high throughput can be achieved. Otherwise some planes will have to loiter to get a landing slot. This is not a whole lot of a big deal but would be good if avoided.

Another consideration is when the Kızılelma and Hürjet come into the picture. Hürjet will need the most infrastructure on the ground and it will probably happen the last. When the KE flies from the TCGA it will probably take off under its own power alone or be wire tugged like the TB3. For landing, good wheel brakes, large aelerons to slow down and smart timing can possibly do a good job. If not additional measures can be taken. For now all eyes are on the TB3.
 

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Well like said as no expert in aerodynamics I imagine Baykar will calculate wing area to have enough lift for lift off and landing at short strip and the drone being assisted by the OKIS system.

 

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A miniaturized model of ANKA-3 unmanned warplane developed by TAI was flown, and the larger model will be revealed in the coming months.

- The flight will take place in March or April.

- It will be able to accompany TF-X, HÜRJET and other air platforms.

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Where are those who didn't believe me when I said this?
 

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