TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Yasar_TR]

TB3 has an MTOW of 1450kg and will probably need to land with around 1400kg loads on occasion. For take off it can either take off without assist or it can use a cable tug to get up to speed. For landing a solid wheel braking system coupled with a full lenght of the landing strip can be utilized. The slowing capability of the plane in the air can be augmented with larger ailerons. These precautions may or may not be sufficient for smooth operations. Ideally you don't want a landing plane to prevent another plane from taking off. When landing and take off are totally independent a high throughput can be achieved. Otherwise some planes will have to loiter to get a landing slot. This is not a whole lot of a big deal but would be good if avoided.

Another consideration is when the Kızılelma and Hürjet come into the picture. Hürjet will need the most infrastructure on the ground and it will probably happen the last. When the KE flies from the TCGA it will probably take off under its own power alone or be wire tugged like the TB3. For landing, good wheel brakes, large aelerons to slow down and smart timing can possibly do a good job. If not additional measures can be taken. For now all eyes are on the TB3.

My mistake about MTOW of TB3. As you say it is 1450kg. But the plane is under 1200kg when empty as it will have a payload capacity of 280kg.
During landing it will most likely have dispensed with a good deal of it’s fuel as well as most of it’s payload. It is a common practice to jettison heavier hung bombs before carrier landing as it can cause problems, both for safety of the ship and structural health of the UAV.

For taking off, the engine plus ski lift and the wings should give enough lift. That is why TEI was developing a specific engine for it.
It is the available landing strip that is a problem. It has to stop before the ski lift. When you take out the length of the recess at the back together with the lift area, you end up with a very short landing strip. You do not want 1.2 tons hitting the lift at speed. So it has to be well clear of it.
The total length of this ship from the very end to the tip of the ski lift is 232metres. Take out the recess, lift area and ski lift; You haven’t got much of a landing strip.

As for Hurjet and KE, I would forget landing altogether if without hook and arresting wires .

 

[Zafer]

Is it a larger model of Anka3 or the full size real thing that will fly we still don't know.

EDIT: The full size model is the real thing.

 

[Zafer]

My mistake about MTOW of TB3. As you say it is 1450kg. But the plane is under 1200kg when empty as it will have a payload capacity of 280kg.
During landing it will most likely have dispensed with a good deal of it’s fuel as well as most of it’s payload. It is a common practice to jettison heavier hung bombs before carrier landing as it can cause problems, both for safety of the ship and structural health of the UAV.

For taking off, the engine plus ski lift and the wings should give enough lift. That is why TEI was developing a specific engine for it.
It is the available landing strip that is a problem. It has to stop before the ski lift. When you take out the length of the recess at the back together with the lift area, you end up with a very short landing strip. You do not want 1.2 tons hitting the lift at speed. So it has to be well clear of it.
The total length of this ship from the very end to the tip of the ski lift is 232metres. Take out the recess, lift area and ski lift; You haven’t got much of a landing strip.

As for Hurjet and KE, I would forget landing altogether if without hook and arresting wires .
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Unorthodox methods need to be developed for landing on this ship rather then giving up on it. I believe they will not give up before trying hard.

 

[Heartbang]

A miniaturized model of ANKA-3 unmanned warplane developed by TAI was flown, and the larger model will be revealed in the coming months.

- The flight will take place in March or April.

- It will be able to accompany TF-X, HÜRJET and other air platforms.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612353745207058433

So this is the real model after all.

 

[MADDOG]

Tell me you remember the legend. You didn't forget, did you?
Where are those who didn't believe me when I said this?

I hereby announce you as a master agent

 

[Huelague]

A miniaturized model of ANKA-3 unmanned warplane developed by TAI was flown, and the larger model will be revealed in the coming months.

- The flight will take place in March or April.

- It will be able to accompany TF-X, HÜRJET and other air platforms.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612353745207058433

So @Nutuk was right.

 

[Boz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612501743656386560

 

[AzeriTank]

It could easily become 200+ km kamikaze drone

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1612501743656386560

 

[Boz]

It could easily become 200+ km kamikaze drone

It comes with a homegrown engine too

 

[AzeriTank]

It comes with a homegrown engine too

Also local EO system, engine is only 16hp which means super cheap to make it. Turkey should consider it

 

[Brokengineer]

It could easily become 200+ km kamikaze drone

It cannot probably be by design. A vtol plane has to carry its weight by its electric motors during hover. It will most likely be used for survaillance purposes.

A kamikaze drone has its warhead and specific amount of fuel to stay on air for a long time which constraints it howering by electric motors further. Also it will require an increase in battery capacity which is not as high energy dense as gasoline.

 

[AzeriTank]

It cannot probably be by design. A vtol plane has to carry its weight by its electric motors during hover. It will most likely be used for survaillance purposes.

A kamikaze drone has its warhead and specific amount of fuel to stay on air for a long time which constraints it howering by electric motors further. Also it will require an increase in battery capacity which is not as high energy dense as gasoline.

Official number is it has 5kg more payload capacity, which means i actually able to do it.. plus once its kamikaze drone, you can put less capable EO systems too

 

[Hasanrize]

It could easily become 200+ km kamikaze drone

It can't do it with a 5 kg payload.

 

[Trakya_forever]

It has much more than being a kamikaze. Laser designator for TRLG series missiles.

 

[Boz]

It took a bit to clean it up, but here is your next lock screen pic.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Kotil: "(Anka-3) is more powerful and agile than Aksungur. We will reveal Anka-3 in the coming months. It is more sensitive to radar, it will not show itself. The supersonic aircraft will come in a little later years."

 

[AzeriTank]

It has much more than being a kamikaze. Laser designator for TRLG series missiles.

I know, but if we take out 150km communication devices and put cheap eo, gps, ins. It can do the job in case of war.

 

[Latebra Factum]

Guys , do you think that the KizilElma might be exported when completed ? i think that it can serve as a loyal wingman to various fighter jets like the F-16V or the F-15EX

 

[Pilatino]

Guys , do you think that the KizilElma might be exported when completed ? i think that it can serve as a loyal wingman to various fighter jets like the F-16V or the F-15EX

That's more than loyal wingman. A standalone air superiority fighter but also works as loyal wingman of TFX.

 

[Latebra Factum]

That's more than loyal wingman. A standalone air superiority fighter but also works as loyal wingman of TFX.

it would play a good role in missions like SEAD and DEAD , instead of using the F-16 or the TAI TF-X , a KizilElma with a bunch of SOM-J cruise missiles would play a critical role in suppressing any air defense .