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[Radonsider]

well , as i replied , the F-35 and the F-22 would do the job

Yes, they would

 

[Radonsider]

oh so we're talking about RCS , well let's bring the F-35 that also can use the AIM-260 JATM , some websites say that the F-35 has an RCS of 0,005 , you can see my point here

Yes, F-35 will be superior, at least for this decade

 

[Latebra Factum]

Yes, F-35 will be superior, at least for this decade

until the NGAD and the FA//XX enter service, nothing can outmatch the F-35A/B/C and the F-22 Raptor and the F-15EX , basically the US tech

 

[Radonsider]

until the NGAD and the FA//XX enter service, nothing can outmatch the F-35A/B/C and the F-22 Raptor and the F-15EX , basically the US tech

That's not how it works

F-22's electronics are kind of already outdated

F-35 i might agree but only for USA

F-15EX is just a bomb truck of F-35, it would get bested by every low RCS platform there

 

[Tuncay]

well , as i replied , the F-35 and the F-22 would do the job

Well if we were to compare the prices and logistics/ significance of both, KE would seem to be more efficient , it isn't cheap and takes time to train pilots but in KE case those who would normally not pass the physical and medical tests ( a very large proportion) would have a chance at piloting the KE meaning more potential pilots, also taking into consideration the zero lose of lives KE seems to be more appropiate . F35 / F22 are not a walk in the park that is for sure they are extremely difficult to intercept and engage but 4th gen fighters will suffer alot from these species of drones that is definite . lets first focus on the potential / most likely threat first ( 4/4.5 gens) we still have time to move onto the 5 gens

 

[Radonsider]

Bro, until it retires, f35 would be world best single engine 5th gen fighter. period.

Oh, i meant future, like when AF's switch to more unmanned stuff

 

[Latebra Factum]

That's not how it works

F-22's electronics are kind of already outdated

F-35 i might agree but only for USA

F-15EX is just a bomb truck of F-35, it would get bested by every low RCS platform there

F-22 is a bit of 90s tech to be honest , i didn't understand you , why the F-35 is only for USA , the F-15EX would play a good role in SEAD missions and long-range BVR combat

 

[Latebra Factum]

Well if we were to compare the prices and logistics/ significance of both, KE would seem to be more efficient , it isn't cheap and takes time to train pilots but in KE case those who would normally not pass the physical tests would have a chance at piloting the KE meaning more potential pilots, also taking into consideration the zero lose of lives KE seems to be more appropiate . F35 / F22 are not a walk in the park that is for sure they are extremely difficult to intercept and engage but 4th gen fighters will suffer alot from these species of drones that is definite . lets first focus on the potential / most likely threat first ( 4/4.5 gens) we still have time to move onto the 5 gens

Indeed , most of the global airforces depend on 4/4,5 gen aircrafts , which i honestly say , the KE would play a really good role

 

[Radonsider]

F-22 is a bit of 90s tech to be honest , i didn't understand you , why the F-35 is only for USA , the F-15EX would play a good role in SEAD missions and long-range BVR combat

F-35 is limited by infrastructure and weapons/system ecosystem, for example if you put Greek F-35s against TurAF TF-X' they will lose because they lack the assets.

F-35, MQ-28, B-21 etc. are systems in the structure of the USAF, F-35 even though being a really really good fighter, it would still lose to others if not used in an environment, same with every 5th gen out there.

TurAF also plans the same, heavily investing on MUM-T and wingmans, support platforms and intelligence platforms. Also lots of datalink development projects.

Only countr(ies) that can use F-35 in its environment are GBR, USA and maybe Australia.


The reason why F-15 is outdated (albeit still very good against 4/4.5 gen) is because of that massive RCS

 

[Afif]

KE will go head to head against F-35 at the end of this decade. This machine is a completely different beast Nothing exists like it. Once reaching its full potential it will challenge all 5th gen. aircrafts out there

As good as KE is it will not go head to head to an F35 in year 2035.
because of the very simple fact that, in 2030s f35 will operate in an highly integrated network centric areal Armada along with its own wingmen and probably NGAD.
There will be no head to head anymore.

And even now with its block 4 variant, f35 is almost a 5.5 gen aircraft when it comes to sensor and sensor fusion. upcoming APG 85, new gen EOTS, new gen computer, upgraded Baracuda EW suite.
it is in a league of its own.

 

[Latebra Factum]

F-35 is limited by infrastructure and weapons/system ecosystem, for example if you put Greek F-35s against TurAF TF-X' they will lose because they lack the assets.

Only countr(ies) that can use F-35 in its environment are GBR, USA and maybe Australia.


The reason why F-15 is outdated (albeit still very good against 4/4.5 gen) is because of that massive RCS

that's correct , the only country that can use a platform in the most effective way is the origin country , like the US for the F-35 or the KE and TF-X for turkey , but just as an example , if Morocco bought the F-15 EX (which an older version was proposed to us years ago), it would be perfect because there are no threats in the area that are above 4/4++ , the best in there is the Su-30MKA ( even tho it's an export version lacking the spare parts and decent E/O targeting pods or AESA radars) , so it won't face any difficulties in eliminating any plane or suppressing an AA system . my point is , everything depends on the surroundings of the country and ability to inter-operate with different assets .

 

[Radonsider]

As good as KE is it will not go head to head to an F35 in year 2035 nor in year 2948.
because of the very simple fact that, in 2030s f35 will operate in an highly integrated network centric areal Armada along with its wingmen and NGAD.

And even now with its block 4 variant f35 is almost a 5.5 gen aircraft when it comes to sensor and sensor fusion. upcoming APG 85, new gen EOTS, new gen computer, upgraded Baracuda EW suite.
it is in a league of its own.

i would still be hesitant to call F-35 5.5 by any means, J-20AS is a better candidate

 

[Latebra Factum]

i would still be hesitant to call F-35 5.5 by any means, J-20AS is a better candidate

i remember that the F-35 is getting a new and potent radar (AN/APG-85) under a massive upgrade initiative

 

[Radonsider]

that's correct , the only country that can use a platform in the most effective way is the origin country , like the US for the F-35 or the KE and TF-X for turkey , but just as an example , if Morocco bought the F-15 EX (which an older version was proposed to us years ago), it would be perfect because there are no threats in the area that are above 4/4++ , the best in there is the Su-30MKA ( even tho it's an export version lacking the spare parts and decent E/O targeting pods or AESA radars) , so it won't face any difficulties in eliminating any plane or suppressing an AA system . my point is , everything depends on the surroundings of the country and ability to inter-operate with different assets .

Yes, i am not against that but as a general rule if you a have a decent radar (something similar to enemies) and have low RCS (X<~0.05) and can get into around 80km of your target, then you will best it.

F-15/Su-27/30/35/J-16/15/11 will have the kinematic advantage but they just have very big RCS, that's the problem, they can be detected from very far without KE or any other stealth platform gets detected by them.



Things start to get confusing when you compare 2 stealth fighters on standalone

 

[Radonsider]

i remember that the F-35 is getting a new and potent radar (AN/APG-85) under a massive upgrade initiative

Yes it is, they will mostly be upgrading ICP and AESA arrays (mainly GaAs to GaN, thus more power)

 

[Latebra Factum]

Yes, i am not against that but as a general rule if you a have a decent radar (something similar to enemies) and have low RCS (X<~0.05) and can get into around 80km of your target, then you will best it.

F-15/Su-27/30/35/J-16/15/11 will have the kinematic advantage but they just have very big RCS, that's the problem, they can be detected from very far without KE or any other stealth platform gets detected by them.



Things start to get confusing when you compare 2 stealth fighters on standalone

i think that other fighter jets with lower RCS would eliminate any AA , and then the F-15 will start its mission by eliminating any remaining jets . the RCS is big , normaly because it's a heavy dual-engine air superiority jet , it's like a class , so it would inter-operate with other assets (ground-based EW systems , AEW&Cs,space assets, long range artillery...) , it's not like the F-15 will fight on its own , it has a specific role of creating a no-fly zone above an area

 

[No Name]

i would still be hesitant to call F-35 5.5 by any means, J-20AS is a better candidate

Why?

 

[Radonsider]

Why?

Wingman controller

 

[Radonsider]

i think that other fighter jets with lower RCS would eliminate any AA , and then the F-15 will start its mission by eliminating any remaining jets . the RCS is big , normaly because it's a heavy dual-engine air superiority jet , it's like a class , so it would inter-operate with other assets (ground-based EW systems , AEW&Cs,space assets, long range artillery...) , it's not like the F-15 will fight on its own , it has a specific role of creating a no-fly zone above an area

Yes, that's correct

 

[YeşilVatan]

i think that other fighter jets with lower RCS would eliminate any AA , and then the F-15 will start its mission by eliminating any remaining jets . the RCS is big , normaly because it's a heavy dual-engine air superiority jet , it's like a class , so it would inter-operate with other assets (ground-based EW systems , AEW&Cs,space assets, long range artillery...) , it's not like the F-15 will fight on its own , it has a specific role of creating a no-fly zone above an area

KE won't operate alone either bro. Who says we won't network swarm Akıncı's loaded with BVRAAMs, gound based AA and MMU. If other planes get to operate within a system our plane gets that chance too. Let's add decoy UAVs and maybe Anka-III while we're at it.