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The video is not continuous, so it is not clear whether it starts the take-off run from the beginning of the runway or from the place I have marked.

If KE started his take-off run from the point I marked, it means that KE made the run in under 300 meters. If it started run from other runway start point, it's around 550 meters.

For reference, in the third test flight, KE took off from a distance of about 510 meters. So there is a high probability that it will probably take off around 500 meters again. They may have edited the video in a slightly misleading way.

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Kızılelma via Fatih's municipality (don't mind him just concentrate on the aircraft)

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New drone completes first firing of missile in significant unmanned air combat milestone
17 Apr 2023 United Kingdom

A new versatile drone system capable of multiple types of combat mission over land, sea and air has completed a highly successful first trial firing of a Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) to bring the potential of unmanned air combat a step closer to reality. The JACKAL drone capability has been designed and developed by experts from UK-based Flyby Technology, with Turkish partners FlyBVLOS Technology and Maxwell Innovations providing design engineering and prototyping expertise, to fill a recently discovered gap in modern combat operations.

 

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New drone completes first firing of missile in significant unmanned air combat milestone
17 Apr 2023 United Kingdom

A new versatile drone system capable of multiple types of combat mission over land, sea and air has completed a highly successful first trial firing of a Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) to bring the potential of unmanned air combat a step closer to reality. The JACKAL drone capability has been designed and developed by experts from UK-based Flyby Technology, with Turkish partners FlyBVLOS Technology and Maxwell Innovations providing design engineering and prototyping expertise, to fill a recently discovered gap in modern combat operations.

The news is from the UK but the companies are Turkish I guess.
 
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New drone completes first firing of missile in significant unmanned air combat milestone
17 Apr 2023 United Kingdom

A new versatile drone system capable of multiple types of combat mission over land, sea and air has completed a highly successful first trial firing of a Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) to bring the potential of unmanned air combat a step closer to reality. The JACKAL drone capability has been designed and developed by experts from UK-based Flyby Technology, with Turkish partners FlyBVLOS Technology and Maxwell Innovations providing design engineering and prototyping expertise, to fill a recently discovered gap in modern combat operations.

My, how the turntables.
 

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New drone completes first firing of missile in significant unmanned air combat milestone
17 Apr 2023 United Kingdom

A new versatile drone system capable of multiple types of combat mission over land, sea and air has completed a highly successful first trial firing of a Thales Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM) to bring the potential of unmanned air combat a step closer to reality. The JACKAL drone capability has been designed and developed by experts from UK-based Flyby Technology, with Turkish partners FlyBVLOS Technology and Maxwell Innovations providing design engineering and prototyping expertise, to fill a recently discovered gap in modern combat operations.



This looks like its a complete Turkish design? Interesting development.

 

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This looks like its a complete Turkish design? Interesting development.

The project was originally developed in partnership between FlyBvlos and Maxvell. FlyBvlos is an engineering company based in Gebze Technical University's technopark, while Maxwell Innovations was also begin as a startup based at Istanbul Technical University and one of the world's leading companies in its specific field.

Jackal was sold to the British Flyby Technology in 2022. As far as I know, the system was shaped according to the wishes of the British company from the very beginning.

We usually see and discuss the giant companies at the center of ecosystems, but especially in university technoparks, there are countless hidden-gem start-ups and globally successful start-ups such as Maxwell.

If our naval forces demand it and if our industry giant companies (e.g. Havelsan) support it, Maxvell-FlyBvlos, perhaps with one or two other start-ups, can design and develop VTOL platforms like the Jackal system, but with much more higher installed power and lift capacity. Moreover, they can achieve such specific systems much faster than the giant companies.

Our Ministry of Defence should create a DARPA-like organization and fund. More precisely, the existing structure should be more autonomous and institutionally and financially strengthened. There are similar examples in Japan, Korea and many other countries. In this way, we can concretize new ideas and approaches and technological competence stages in our aerospace industry much faster.
 

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Regarding FlyBvlos, if you look at the company's website, it seems to have very innovative approaches. I have the idea that companies like this should be more drawn towards the military-mind. For this we need to increase and standardize funding sources. We need to create more space for startups. The TB-2 is the main hero behind Baykar's success story. It was an innovation that transformed a startup into a global player.

A VTOL drone that can land on frigates and corvettes and wings can be folded for hangar, for example with a wingspan of 11-12 meters and a payload lift capacity of about 350-400 kg, could be a real gain for our navy. And it could also be the hero of FlyBvlos' success story in future.
 
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we need to increase and standardize funding sources
Small money can get companies a long way but the government has to be more generous supporting startups. They must be thinking that new designs are copies of old designs and have no value. I am disappointed not having been able to find $30k for building my innovative little personal helicopter while some people I know received heaps of money just because they hired some engineers but now closing up shop.
 

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Small money can get companies a long way but the government has to be more generous supporting startups. They must be thinking that new designs are copies of old designs and have no value. I am disappointed not having been able to find $30k for building my innovative little personal helicopter while some people I know received heaps of money just because they hired some engineers but now closing up shop.
There should definitely be a fund and top organization, and every startup should be able to apply to use. But what I am talking about is not a open deposit box, So I am not advocating opening the purse strings to every startup. There should be evaluation committees composed of experienced personnel from the technical units of the TAF, and the clear and consistent objectives of the technological demonstrations under evaluation should be determined by the sub-committees of the relevant mechanism.

Like 'we are evaluating your project and we will support it (infrastructure support, support for project development, testing and verification, technical consultancy and contacts, etc.), but you will have the match these requirements'... Or better yet, this institution will call for support for a certain number of projects in a large number of fields each year in order to mature the technological readiness phases needed for the future needs of the Turkish Armed Forces. For example, it will announce a support program for the development of fixed-wing UAVs for frigates. Let's say 10 startups will apply for this program. The committee will evaluate these applications, either continue with 2 of them or group some of these startups together to work together.

Each of these does not need to turn into an end system or a purchase. However, as a whole, it will both pull startups up and start to create technological capability accumulation. In the future, the force will be able to benefit from adapting these ready-made capability sets extended to the end system it needs, and will be provided with experience supported by many test-evaluation phases.

Of course, there are various funding sources and procedures for supporting projects. I wish that the part of this fragmented structure related to the defense industry and aerospace will have a stronger and more disciplined structure.

One of the things we are constantly discussing is limited resources and prioritization. The second is the subsystem procurement problems encountered in many end-system development processes. We need to use not only money but also other sources more efficiently. With limited resources, maybe a project that has been waiting for years finally gets implemented, but even then, development processes can be prolonged due to other problems. Maybe not in every program, but in a significant number of some. The authority in need is the Ministry of Defense and the Turkish army. Then we need to work on models that will use these resources much more effectively and deepen capabilities in areas of need.
 

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There should definitely be a fund and top organization, and every startup should be able to apply to use. But what I am talking about is not a open deposit box, So I am not advocating opening the purse strings to every startup. There should be evaluation committees composed of experienced personnel from the technical units of the TAF, and the clear and consistent objectives of the technological demonstrations under evaluation should be determined by the sub-committees of the relevant mechanism.

Like 'we are evaluating your project and we will support it (infrastructure support, support for project development, testing and verification, technical consultancy and contacts, etc.), but you will have the match these requirements'... Or better yet, this institution will call for support for a certain number of projects in a large number of fields each year in order to mature the technological readiness phases needed for the future needs of the Turkish Armed Forces. For example, it will announce a support program for the development of fixed-wing UAVs for frigates. Let's say 10 startups will apply for this program. The committee will evaluate these applications, either continue with 2 of them or group some of these startups together to work together.

Each of these does not need to turn into an end system or a purchase. However, as a whole, it will both pull startups up and start to create technological capability accumulation. In the future, the force will be able to benefit from adapting these ready-made capability sets extended to the end system it needs, and will be provided with experience supported by many test-evaluation phases.

Of course, there are various funding sources and procedures for supporting projects. I wish that the part of this fragmented structure related to the defense industry and aerospace will have a stronger and more disciplined structure.

One of the things we are constantly discussing is limited resources and prioritization. The second is the subsystem procurement problems encountered in many end-system development processes. We need to use not only money but also other sources more efficiently. With limited resources, maybe a project that has been waiting for years finally gets implemented, but even then, development processes can be prolonged due to other problems. Maybe not in every program, but in a significant number of some. The authority in need is the Ministry of Defense and the Turkish army. Then we need to work on models that will use these resources much more effectively and deepen capabilities in areas of need.
In the US the Army has the Agility Prime program where they support several category of electric VTOL aircraft designs to adopt them in the Army. This gave those companies a boost as the companies are not bound with restrictions that apply to civilian vehicles. No wonder they are leading in this field.
 
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