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[Bogeyman]

The UCAV Göksungur will have the same operational role that the Russians want for the UCAV Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B. The Russians will have it operational ready in 2024. Will the Turkish TUSAS have managed to integrate the UCAV Göksungur operationally by then? Baykar has already announced that the UCAV Muharip İnsansız Uçak Sistemi (MİUS) will fly in 2023. Do you have any relevant information on what will be the differences between Göksungur and MİUS?

Göksungur is being developed for air-to-air combat. MIUS is being developed for aerial to ground bombing purposes. They have different mission profile.

He said that they expect Göksungur, with integrated turbojet, to be the size of this model airplane

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Which system are they talking about? Aksungur turned out to be a suicide drone and we dont even know if MIUS is in development.

Where did you get that from?
Simply he had revealed that the Simsek target drone has a kamikaze variant and it was successfully launched from Aksungur.

 

[Zafer]

My friend in TUSAS says that Göksungur supersonic UCAV will fly alongside MMU with a loyal wingman mission profile. He said the first prototype was developed on a mini-scale to avoid risk and the prototype was ready. A 1:1 scale model will be produced when positive results are obtained. The first prototype will use a turbojet. Again, they will work on the prototype to understand the supersonic regime with sensitive control surfaces. The actual model, meanwhile, is expected to be the size of fighter jets.

Such drones can make themselves look bigger than they actually are. I would guess they should be smaller than an actual fighter but with all their re-usability features in place. When you make them with all the basic flight features you want to add some fighting capabilities perhaps like air to air missiles but not bombs. Or some energy weapons that are not hefty but effective nonetheless.

 

[Merzifonlu]

The UCAV Göksungur will have the same operational role that the Russians want for the UCAV Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B. The Russians will have it operational ready in 2024. Will the Turkish TUSAS have managed to integrate the UCAV Göksungur operationally by then? Baykar has already announced that the UCAV Muharip İnsansız Uçak Sistemi (MİUS) will fly in 2023. Do you have any relevant information on what will be the differences between Göksungur and MİUS?

MİUS is subsonic (0.8-0.9 mach) UCAV, Göksungur is supersonic (1+ mach, probably 2+ mach) UCAV. Göksungur for air-to-air combat, MİUS for aerial to ground bombing purposes.

You can think of MİUS as the drone to replace the F-4 Phantom II, and Göksungur as the drone to replace the F-16 Fighting Falcon.

Our original plan was to replace F-4 Phantom II's with the F-35's and the TFX's to replace with F-16 Fighting Falcon's.

In the current situation, TFX will do the job of both F-35 and F-16. These drones will also help him. Akıncı & Aksungur drones will also be added to these. For support tasks.

In summary, 1 fighter stealth jet (TFX), 2 stealth drones with jet engine (MİUS & Göksungur), 2 drones with propeller gasoline/turboprop engine (Akıncı & Aksungur) will be operational in our inventory.

If things go well, our newly planned air force structure will be as destructive as the old one containing the F-35, and perhaps even more.

 

[Merzifonlu]

So what would happen if the F-35 came?

First of all, it would not be Akıncı and Aksungur like big drones. Drones were to be used only as a observation drone, not as "ammunition trucks".

Then there would be no MİUS. Perhaps the Göksungur drone would have been considered.

Turkey's exclusion from the F-35 program prompted us to look for unconventional solutions.

 

[Zafer]

Drones is bound to be the new convention going forward.
We have Hürjet too in our mix of fighters. It will fill in when higher model TFX is not required like when the targets are not fully equipped.

 

[Combat-Master]

Ismail Demir: I think Rafales will no longer be a "game changer" factor when jet powered fighter drone join to inventory along with our SAM systems

TAI is keeping something from us, I believe this is one of the ACE cards - Jet powered fighter drone with AI.

 

[Combat-Master]

Such drones can make themselves look bigger than they actually are. I would guess they should be smaller than an actual fighter but with all their re-usability features in place. When you make them with all the basic flight features you want to add some fighting capabilities perhaps like air to air missiles but not bombs. Or some energy weapons that are not hefty but effective nonetheless.

When you pack them with explosives, they are flying mines maybe we'll be first to coin loitering air-to-air drone

 

[dustdevil]

He said the first prototype was developed on a mini-scale to avoid risk and the prototype was ready. A 1:1 scale model will be produced when positive results are obtained. The first prototype will use a turbojet.

This is very logical and wise way to develop a supersonic drone. A small scale demonstrator or technology demonstrator will require less budget, containing fewer unknown and risks... unlike the MMU development model.

I hope they try low observable technologies on Göksungur too.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

This is very logical and wise way to develop a supersonic drone. A small scale demonstrator or technology demonstrator will require less budget, containing fewer unknown and risks... unlike the MMU development model.

I hope they try low observable technologies on Göksungur too.

At one of previous reportages, Mr. Kotil had mentioned about a small scale supersonic unmanned model to test the parameters of supersonic speeds on drone' fuselage but the people predicted that It was about supersonic unmanned test model of Tf-X. It seems Goksungur-mini will be supersonic test model of heavier and larger Goksungur+(?) unmanned fighter jet that is going to host many technology of TFX. Besides, Both TF-X and Goksungur+ will make their maiden flights in 2025. In addition, Goksungur-mini will be used as a wingman and decoy drone of TF-X. The stones set in place now.

 

[Combat-Master]

At one of previous reportages, Mr. Kotil had mentioned about a small scale supersonic unmanned model to test the parameters of supersonic speeds on drone' fuselage but the people predicted that It was about supersonic unmanned test model of Tf-X. It seems Goksungur-mini will be supersonic test model of heavier and larger Goksungur+(?) unmanned fighter jet that is going to host many technology of TFX. Besides, Both TF-X and Goksungur+ will make their maiden flights in 2025. In addition, Goksungur-mini will be used as a wingman and decoy drone of TF-X. The stones set in place now.

Excellent, they are already looking ahead at 6gen capabilities!

 

[TheInsider]

BAYKAR caught lying again. Baykar announced that TB2 is the first UCAV of Turkiye from their official twitter account. In reality first UCAV of Turkiye is TAI Anka-B which fired a cirit missile in 2013 nearly a year before TB2.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387728373686882304

 

[Combat-Master]

BAYKAR caught lying again. Baykar announced that TB2 is the first UCAV of Turkiye from their official twitter account. In reality first UCAV of Turkiye is TAI Anka-B which fired a cirit missile in 2013 nearly a year before TB2.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387728373686882304

Whoever is controlling their social media needs a short history lesson. It's disrespectful to the engineers that worked on weaponizing ANKA.

 

[ŞeyhMuşmula]

BAYKAR caught lying again. Baykar announced that TB2 is the first UCAV of Turkiye from their official twitter account. In reality first UCAV of Turkiye is TAI Anka-B which fired a cirit missile in 2013 nearly a year before TB2.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387728373686882304

It seems like they are trying to undermine TAI lately. With Selçuk Bayraktar shit talking about TF-X in order to promote his UCAVs. It is sad to see but not a suprising move, private companies will put their interests above others.

It is also important to note here, I don't think he would of got to make projects that TAI could easily develop if he wasn't related to Tayip Erdoğan. This doesn't mean that he is not a good engineer or anything about his skills but we don't have enough room for Baykar when we have TAI for UCAVs. This could be solved by nationalization of Baykar.

 

[Siper>MMU]

What a stupid argument

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387078496690782209

Has this so called expert ever heard of combined arms approach.

Im laughing so bad

 

[Ryder]

Hey guys why do we have fighter jets when we still have to land soldiers on the mountains why cant we land planes on to the mountains

 

[Zafer]

BAYKAR caught lying again. Baykar announced that TB2 is the first UCAV of Turkiye from their official twitter account. In reality first UCAV of Turkiye is TAI Anka-B which fired a cirit missile in 2013 nearly a year before TB2.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1387728373686882304

Who gives a shit if Anka engineers experimented with weapons, it meant nothing for Turkish military endeavors.
It wasn't until Baykar started dropping bombs that we got the upperhand against terrorists even inside our borders. Anka would never be able to give that power to Turkey.

 

[Ryder]

Who gives a shit if Anka engineers experimented with weapons, it meant nothing for Turkish military endeavors.
It wasn't until Baykar started dropping bombs that we got the upperhand against terrorists even inside our borders. Anka would never be able to give that power to Turkey.

Meant nothing???

You do realise experimentation is a stepping stone to the future.

I dont like people shitting on Baykar but I also dont like people shitting on TAI and the anka. TAI have drones that date back to the 1980s if not the early 2000s if we are being modest.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Baykar-TUSAŞ fight is just a stupid thing. People do not try to shit on TUSAŞ but some politicaly obsessed idiots shitting on Baykar. Especially some so called experts are politicizing defence sector.