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[Hexciter]

Wrong. It has nothing to do with comms range. You can still fly in circles without a SATCOM. Akıncıs minimum speed is 130knots and its endurance is 24 hour. 130knot=240.5km/h 240.5*24=5772km. If you take bingo fuel into account, it has a 5000km range and 2500km mission radius.

No. Speed of data flow will became more important as the drone’s speed increases.

 

[TheInsider]

Range decrease in MİUS mainly happens because it uses a low bypass turbofan engine rather than a combustion engine or turboprop engine. It has nothing to do with comms range or " speed of data flow".

 

[Era_shield]

Wrong. It has nothing to do with comms range. You can still fly in circles without a SATCOM. Akıncıs minimum speed is 130knots and its endurance is 24 hour. 130knot=240.5km/h 240.5*24=5772km. If you take bingo fuel into account, it has a 5000km range and 2500km mission radius.

Best translation I think would be "maximum operating range". If comms link limits range it will show the maximum comms link range, but if comms link is unlimited it will show the maximum ferry range. So for MIUS and Akinci it shows max ferry range, while for TB2 it shows 300km (RF comms version) and 1800km (satcom version).

 

[Combat-Master]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1425856808300777476

At the International Defense Investment Forum, dedicated to the development of the defense industry in Ukraine until 2030, a representative of "Baykar" spoke about high-tech Turkish UAVs and opportunities for strategic cooperation

Impressive range for Bayraktar's VTOL UAV

 

[TheInsider]

Best translation I think would be "maximum operating range". If comms link limits range it will show the maximum comms link range, but if comms link is unlimited it will show the maximum ferry range. So for MIUS and Akinci it shows max ferry range, while for TB2 it shows 300km (RF comms version) and 1800km (satcom version).

You are right for advertising reasons it is exactly like that but we can operate a TB2 in Libya that took off from TR without SATCOM. There 2 different ways. We can either use signal repeaters to extend the range to reach Libya or we can pre-program TB2 on the ground via mission planning software give waypoints and tell it to go to the nearest ground signal station in Libya. Then crew in Libya can establish LOS comms and take control.

 

[Steel]

You are right for advertising reasons it is exactly like that but we can operate a TB2 in Libya that took off from TR without SATCOM. There 2 different ways. We can either use signal repeaters to extend the range to reach Libya or we can pre-program TB2 on the ground via mission planning software give waypoints and tell it to go to the nearest ground signal station in Libya. Then crew in Libya can establish LOS comms and take control.

During this process, tb2 is more vulnerable to ew. Afaık if the drone receives signal from ground or satellite it continuosly check its direction according to transmitter's location. So in case of abrut direction change, it understands it is under attack.
But if such an autonomous mission is planned what can be done against ew? Anka has tacan but does tb2 use other methods?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Bulutların Üzerinde Operasyon Yapmak - C4 Defence

MİLSAR, Meteksan Savunma tarafından geliştirilen, keşif-gözetleme, baskılama ve taarruz operasyonları için hava platformlarında kullanılmak üzere tasarlanan bir radar sistemi. Potansiyel hedeflerin tespit ve takibinde kullanılan Hareketli Yer Hedef Tespiti (GMTI/Ground […]

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GMTI SAR - Ground Moving Target Indicator Synthetic Aperture Radar.
Milsar, developed by Meteksan is a ground breaking piece of radar technology that will allow our UAV’s to operate above clouds without hindrance.
Whether it is TB2 or Aksungur or Anka or Akinci, the GMTI-SAR will allow Turkish UAV fleet to operate at adverse air conditions from a range of 30km. This piece of equipment will also be able to differentiate between civilian and military hardware as well as people. Hence allow ground control to take necessary measures.
Live UAV tests of MILSAR have been completed this year.
According to Meteksan MD Mr Alparslan, the GMTI-SAR is ready for action.

 

[Siper>MMU]

IMO sacrificing EO payload capability to use a SAR radar doesn't make sense. Aselsans wing mounted sar radar is a more logical option.

 

[Steel]

IMO sacrificing EO payload capability to use a SAR radar doesn't make sense. Aselsans wing mounted sar radar is a more logical option.

But afaık aselsan's m-sar and sarper radars can't provide 360 degree coverage. This is one of the advantages milsar has.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Under 30kg weight, now even smaller size, and high definition image reception together with the capability to target moving enemy assets from above clouds with 360degree visibility, is a must for all our UAV‘s.
In Karabakh, during cloud cover, TB2 fleet were grounded. With this it won’t need to.
SAR/MTI radars can significantly increase identification performance for both stationary and moving targets through evaluation of radar imagery and moving target indicators.
EO/IR sensors are the major identification tool for surveillance platforms, and many UAVs are limited to only these sensors, thus limiting the platform’s search capability due to the limited field of view. MTI radar can provide round-the-clock situational awareness by shortening and enhancing the target detection process.
I had rather compromise under 30kg of payload capacity to keep these birds on air at all times, not counting all the other advantages listed above. This SAR is like a “Swiss Army Knife” for all our UAV assets. One common fix for all.
The other beauty of this system is that one UAV fitted with this will enable control unit to direct others to target enemy assets.

SAR/MTI Radar for Common Operating Picture in UAV Operations | Unmanned Systems Technology

Meteksan Defence, a developer of components, radar and communication technologies for UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles), has released the following article...

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[Siper>MMU]

You can't guide a laser guided MAM-L with a SAR radar. You are also sacrificing weapons delivery capability.

 

[Bogeyman]

You can't guide a laser guided MAM-L with a SAR radar. You are also sacrificing weapons delivery capability.

If we can develop IRR guidance the whole problem will be solved.

 

[Siper>MMU]

If we can develop IRR guidance the whole problem will be solved.

It would be too costly

 

[Abdelaziz]

You can't guide a laser guided MAM-L with a SAR radar. You are also sacrificing weapons delivery capability.

Yea ..e/os are mandatory for uavs ..i font think sar/mti can replace them ..but they will work together i.e sensors fusion

 

[Bogeyman]

It would be too costly

It is better than not at all. We don't have to use it in series. However, there must be the alternative to laser guidelines.

 

[Yasar_TR]

You can't guide a laser guided MAM-L with a SAR radar. You are also sacrificing weapons delivery capability.

No one is sacrificing laser guided weapons capability. These two systems are supposed to be used together. Complementing each other.
When needed IIR guidance -even if it is costlier- or GPS guidance will have to be used.
Wars don’t happen on clear skied days only!
GMTI SAR system with the right algorithms written in it’s system can guide missiles for moving and stationary ground and sea targets.

Quote:
Ground Moving Target Indicator radars can detect slowly moving surface vehicles, taxiing aircraft, and hovering helicopters. In many instances, these radars can also exploit fine Doppler modulations in the radar return to identify the vehicle class or type, and even rotating radar antennas.
A radar which combines these two technologies can accurately detect, locate and identify virtually any surface target, from a standoff range at a very shallow slant angle, under any weather conditions. Combined with GPS guided bombs, this is a revolutionary capability, because it extends the existing around the clock bombing capability to an all weather standoff bombing capability. The established thermal imaging/laser guided bombing technology requires that direct line of sight exists to the target, that the cloudbase is above the bombing aircraft, and that the humidity and precipitation situation is not severe.
In addition, operating MILSAR together with an EO/IR sensor in a “slew-to-cue” fashion improves the effectiveness of the UAV-UCAV joint operations through maximizing wide area surveillance of UAV and increasing UCAV’s attack capability.
MILSAR detects and tracks potential targets either low speed small size or fast moving objects even in adverse weather and low visibility conditions including cloud and fog.
Unquote.

 

[TheInsider]

Maybe a semi-active radar-guided MAM-L might be the cost-effective solution. SAR radars light up the target and MAM-L guides itself to reflected radar signals. It will be similar to laser designators but done with a SAR radar.

 

[Anmdt]

You can't guide a laser guided MAM-L with a SAR radar. You are also sacrificing weapons delivery capability.

You don't need to do that, there will be other UAVs in the herd to carry the missiles, if not the "pin point accuracy" those can be taken out by the GPS.

After all, MAM is not the only missile in the inventory the doctrine is not shaped around that but improved thanks to that, depending on the sensitivity of target it can be barraged with Artillery, TRG-122, 230 or even with Bora, SOM.

 

[AzeriTank]

Maybe a semi-active radar-guided MAM-L might be the cost-effective solution. SAR radars light up the target and MAM-L guides itself to reflected radar signals. It will be similar to laser designators but done with a SAR radar.

that way it will be visible to any radar, thats the reason fighter jets try to use AWACS radar to be invisible. of course its also important again whom you are going to use it..

 

[TheInsider]

that way it will be visible to any radar, thats the reason fighter jets try to use AWACS radar to be invisible. of course its also important again whom you are going to use it..

True to some extend those SAR radars emit very little power and they have LPI capability. Anyway, enemy air-defense systems and radars will be the first casualty in a war so I don't think that is very important.