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I believe that a UAV that takes off vertically but cruises like a fixed-wing aircraft can meet a very important need for naval platforms. Of course, this requires major changes in the system, especially in the propulsion system for in terms of Fly Bvlos's Jackal, because of being able to transform it from a small-scale system to a full scale tactical UAV.
As an pionering country in tactical UAVs usage within wide of varieties, We should be able to operate tactical class UAVs with TB-2's class altitude, cruise speed, relatively high endurance, and lift capacity in the helicopter hangars of platforms such as destroyers/frigates that do not have runway on them, and we should be able to take-off and land these platforms from the aft deck either with a vertical take-off system or, if not possible, with a telescopic, modular launch system. Or it could launched with a launch crane and the UAV lands on the sea and is towed from the sea to the hangar with the help of a crane.
I think there are two or three shortcuts to achieve this type of system, the first is to provide R&D support to FlyBVLOS or any other similiar company, which is working on this type VTOL models (DASAL for example), and propulsion system redisgned over TEI, There could be emerge specialized variant for the navy with 4 weapon station CATS/Radar pods. If some of leading defense companies provide support, a fixed-wing VTOL UAV group could emerge in this way. When we are able to produce this type of aircraft with powerful engines, it can also share the mission load of naval ASW/ASuW helicopters.
The second way is for TAI to prioritize its work in unmanned helicopter area among all the urgent projects. Option B of the 2nd path is to re-configure re-scale helicopter UAVs of companies such as TITRA or any other similiar companies currently working on unmanned helicopters, as attack platforms with further developments.
The third way is (unorthodox method lol) to reconfigure the TB-2 with a top hook and folding wing, and allow a second party company to develop a suitable launch and capture system for this reconfigured variant. Perhaps if Vestel could build a catapult-launched tactical UAV, it would be easier to develop a naval variant on that model.
I think all three paths(it could be more) should proceed simultaneously on their own course. There is a need for a large number of tactical UAV system development and experimental projects that will respond to the Navy's unique needs or where these approaches can be tested.
While many industrialists in our country are enthusiastic about the defense industry, more specifically unmanned systems (sea/land/air), and are looking for opportunities to enter the sector, they can more easily gain a place in the sector through niche and innovative approaches by supporting bright project teams, rather than in areas that are competitive and require high costs and experience. In this context, naval tactical UAVs may be a better investment area, as they require a significant product diversity in all types and classes. Instead of trying to be a competitor to the Tb-'2 or a rival to the Anka, becoming a second-party company that can adapt these platforms to different needs, or investing in a system that can replace the work of these systems at sea, albeit in a more limited way, offers a significant window of opportunity by current situation in the Turkish defense industry.
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Bell's V247 concept
Northop's MQ-8
Aurora Flight Sciences' Side ARM concept, supported by DARPA
As an pionering country in tactical UAVs usage within wide of varieties, We should be able to operate tactical class UAVs with TB-2's class altitude, cruise speed, relatively high endurance, and lift capacity in the helicopter hangars of platforms such as destroyers/frigates that do not have runway on them, and we should be able to take-off and land these platforms from the aft deck either with a vertical take-off system or, if not possible, with a telescopic, modular launch system. Or it could launched with a launch crane and the UAV lands on the sea and is towed from the sea to the hangar with the help of a crane.
I think there are two or three shortcuts to achieve this type of system, the first is to provide R&D support to FlyBVLOS or any other similiar company, which is working on this type VTOL models (DASAL for example), and propulsion system redisgned over TEI, There could be emerge specialized variant for the navy with 4 weapon station CATS/Radar pods. If some of leading defense companies provide support, a fixed-wing VTOL UAV group could emerge in this way. When we are able to produce this type of aircraft with powerful engines, it can also share the mission load of naval ASW/ASuW helicopters.
The second way is for TAI to prioritize its work in unmanned helicopter area among all the urgent projects. Option B of the 2nd path is to re-configure re-scale helicopter UAVs of companies such as TITRA or any other similiar companies currently working on unmanned helicopters, as attack platforms with further developments.
The third way is (unorthodox method lol) to reconfigure the TB-2 with a top hook and folding wing, and allow a second party company to develop a suitable launch and capture system for this reconfigured variant. Perhaps if Vestel could build a catapult-launched tactical UAV, it would be easier to develop a naval variant on that model.
I think all three paths(it could be more) should proceed simultaneously on their own course. There is a need for a large number of tactical UAV system development and experimental projects that will respond to the Navy's unique needs or where these approaches can be tested.
While many industrialists in our country are enthusiastic about the defense industry, more specifically unmanned systems (sea/land/air), and are looking for opportunities to enter the sector, they can more easily gain a place in the sector through niche and innovative approaches by supporting bright project teams, rather than in areas that are competitive and require high costs and experience. In this context, naval tactical UAVs may be a better investment area, as they require a significant product diversity in all types and classes. Instead of trying to be a competitor to the Tb-'2 or a rival to the Anka, becoming a second-party company that can adapt these platforms to different needs, or investing in a system that can replace the work of these systems at sea, albeit in a more limited way, offers a significant window of opportunity by current situation in the Turkish defense industry.
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Bell's V247 concept
Northop's MQ-8
Aurora Flight Sciences' Side ARM concept, supported by DARPA
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A solution is already designed for that purpose. Just gotta enhance it.I believe that a UAV that takes off vertically but cruises like a fixed-wing aircraft can meet a very important need for naval platforms. Of course, this requires major changes in the system, especially in the propulsion system for in terms of Fly Bvlos's Jackal, because of being able to transform it from a small-scale system to a full scale tactical UAV.
As an pionering country in tactical UAVs usage within wide of varieties, We should be able to operate tactical class UAVs with TB-2's class altitude, cruise speed, relatively high endurance, and lift capacity in the helicopter hangars of platforms such as destroyers/frigates that do not have runway on them, and we should be able to take-off and land these platforms from the aft deck either with a vertical take-off system or, if not possible, with a telescopic, modular launch system. Or it could launched with a launch crane and the UAV lands on the sea and is towed from the sea to the hangar with the help of a crane.
I think there are two or three shortcuts to achieve this type of system, the first is to provide R&D support to FlyBVLOS or any other similiar company, which is working on this type VTOL models (DASAL for example), and propulsion system redisgned over TEI, There could be emerge specialized variant for the navy with 4 weapon station CATS/Radar pods. If some of leading defense companies provide support, a fixed-wing VTOL UAV group could emerge in this way. When we are able to produce this type of aircraft with powerful engines, it can also share the mission load of naval ASW/ASuW helicopters.
The second way is for TAI to prioritize its work in unmanned helicopter area among all the urgent projects. Option B of the 2nd path is to re-configure re-scale helicopter UAVs of companies such as TITRA or any other similiar companies currently working on unmanned helicopters, as attack platforms with further developments.
The third way is (unorthodox method lol) to reconfigure the TB-2 with a top hook and folding wing, and allow a second party company to develop a suitable launch and capture system for this reconfigured variant. Perhaps if Vestel could build a catapult-launched tactical UAV, it would be easier to develop a naval variant on that model.
I think all three paths(it could be more) should proceed simultaneously on their own course. There is a need for a large number of tactical UAV system development and experimental projects that will respond to the Navy's unique needs or where these approaches can be tested.
While many industrialists in our country are enthusiastic about the defense industry, more specifically unmanned systems (sea/land/air), and are looking for opportunities to enter the sector, they can more easily gain a place in the sector through niche and innovative approaches by supporting bright project teams, rather than in areas that are competitive and require high costs and experience. In this context, naval tactical UAVs may be a better investment area, as they require a significant product diversity in all types and classes. Instead of trying to be a competitor to the Tb-'2 or a rival to the Anka, becoming a second-party company that can adapt these platforms to different needs, or investing in a system that can replace the work of these systems at sea, albeit in a more limited way, offers a significant window of opportunity by current situation in the Turkish defense industry.
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Bell's V247 concept
Northop's MQ-8
Aurora Flight Sciences' Side ARM concept, supported by DARPA
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Manned tail-sitters were not practical and were abandoned but an unmanned version could be practical. Still curious why they were not employed earlier. As the design is already very old there shouldn't be any valid patents on them anymore either. Baykar didn't even have an attempt on this design while they made their shipboard VTOL DİHA. TAI can have a go with this.
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Just a quick question so this post wouldn't be a sh*tpost:
How long do you guys think we can create our AI library for aerial combat? The plane should have 100s of 1000s of hours of flight data consisting of different circumstances etc. Am I wrong? How much of that process can be solved in a simulation environment i.e. digitally?
I want Kızılelma to dogfight so bad...
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It will take years but the underlying tech is there already:
Also note the top comment in that vid is what Kizilelma will soon be:
We will probably have a flood of posts about munitions when IDEF23 is rolling down through the hood
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With regards to Turkish company "Zyrone Dynamics" as previously mentioned in thread:
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This Turkish UAV company (Zyrone Dynamics) and its equity stake acquisition by DCM Shriram found mention by its President when he was in recent feature interview at Indian channel.
From about 23.00 minute mark for those interested:
Has also been posted in IND defence export thread.
The larger interview is about IPR acquisition, manufacturing and current trajectories of Indian defence sector production and exports.
News from IDEF:
India's DCM Shriram buys 30% stake in Turkish drone makerDCM Shriram is investing $1 million in Zyrone Dynamics
DCM Shriram signed a partnership deal with Turkey's Zyrone Dynamics on the sidelines of the International Defense Industries Fair (IDEF) in Istanbul.
DCM Shriram is investing $1 million in Zyrone Dynamics, taking a 30 per cent stake in the company. Murat Kanber, co-founder of Zyrone Dynamics, was quoted by Turkey's Anadolu Agency as saying, "Both sides’ expectation is the creation of products for civilian use, especially for cargo transportation... Now Zyrone will sell its products to India and its neighbors in the Asian market, after which it also hopes to export drones to Europe and Australia."
Speaking on behalf of DCM Shriram, Rudra Shriram said "The partnership is more than just an investment; it is about creating a global UAV company for various applications in civilian and military fields."
Zyrone Dynamics specialises in the manufacture of small rotary-wing drones. Zyrone Dynamics has been promoting small drones that it calls 'variable volume' UAVs.
India's DCM Shriram buys 30% stake in Turkish drone maker
DCM Shriram is investing $1 million in Zyrone Dynamicswww.theweek.in
Zyrone Dynamics
www.zyrone.com
Going by the website, seems to be an up-and-coming company. Probably wise to invest at this stage itself from an economic perspective.
From the 30% stake, looks like transfers will be happening soon:
According to the report, Zyrone Dynamics, which produces UAV technologies with its advanced technologies, is preparing for the first product delivery to India.
The company will also make demo flights for the defence tenders in India in March 2022, and is making plans to expand to Far East countries via India, the report says.
Turkey is ready to export unmanned aerial vehicles to India
Turkish Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, developed by Ankara-based Zyrone Dynamics, is ready to be exported after the company attracted international investment, Anadolu News Agency says. According to the report, Zyrone Dynamics,...www.middleeastmonitor.com
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This Turkish UAV company (Zyrone Dynamics) and its equity stake acquisition by DCM Shriram found mention by its President when he was in recent feature interview at Indian channel.
From about 23.00 minute mark for those interested:
Has also been posted in IND defence export thread.
The larger interview is about IPR acquisition, manufacturing and current trajectories of Indian defence sector production and exports.
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If I am not mistaken, there are at least 30 more tb-2 fuselages waiting to be integrated on the final assembly line. (second photo)
I think 2023 will be a record year for Baykar, with over 300 deliveries. Well, at least until 2024. lol
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At the very beginning of the process, the late Özdemir Bayraktar offered to transfer all know-how and these studies to the army and to support it to the end. But our state institutions were not interested in this. In fact, the book containing critical data on the systems developed by the company was given to SSM despite the warning of retired Colonel Cemal Öksüz, then Head of the Aircraft Engineering Department at the Air Force Academy. Later, this critical information fell into the hands of other people and the company was subsequently threatened in this way.
As we delve into the company's history, a different struggle emerges from every corner. I truly believe that Baykar's rise to the position you have shared the map of above was only possible with God's help. Under normal circumstances, this company should have disappeared years ago.
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System identification test is for validating design specifications, aircraft flight performance; to know the dynamics of the aircraft.
The on board flight test instrumentation provides the data which will be used to model the dynamics of the aircraft.
This is the 1st prototype.
