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[Zafer]

My guess is we will be able to see TF6000 on Kızılelma and Anka3 in under 2 years after first ignition. I would say we will even see it on both of these planes no later than when the Ukrainian engines received in stock go out in the LRIP period and there will be no hiatus in production.

 

[Merzifonlu]

My guess is we will be able to see TF6000 on Kızılelma and Anka3 in under 2 years after first ignition. I would say we will even see it on both of these planes no later than when the Ukrainian engines received in stock go out in the LRIP period and there will be no hiatus in production.

It's a reasonable guess. If we were talking about manned aircraft, it would be ridiculous to integrate these engines into aircraft 2 years after the first ignition. However, it is possible for unmanned aircraft, although it is a bit risky. There is no risk of pilot loss, in the worst case the platform is lost. This means that the engines will mature by flying.

 

[Oublious]

Baykar is going fast, TB3 is getting better and better.

 

[Huelague]

Baykar is going fast, TB3 is getting better and better.

AMAZING!....they can fly.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I find this concept a great idea that could be implemented on larger aircraft if stable enough.

 

[Zafer]

I find this concept a great idea that could be implemented on larger aircraft if stable enough.

Not good, the only advantage is storage compactness but disadvantage is transitions can turn out to be problematic. You can remove the wings for compactness instead and transition only in pitch axis for better reliability.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Not good, the only advantage is storage compactness but disadvantage is transitions can turn out to be problematic. You can remove the wings for compactness instead and transition only in pitch axis for better reliability.

"transitions can turn out to be problematic"
Hence the "if stable enough" part.

"You can remove the wings for compactness"
Takes a lot longer though.

 

[Zafer]

"transitions can turn out to be problematic"
Hence the "if stable enough" part.

"You can remove the wings for compactness"
Takes a lot longer though.

Transition in 2 axes doubles the risk of complications and failure. Too much pain for no remarkable gain.

 

[Zafer]

Chad gets its Aksungur after getting Anka.

Bu gurur Türkiye'nin! Aksungur Çad hava kuvvetlerinde böyle görüntülendi

Birkaç ay önce Çad Hava Kuvvetleri'ne teslim edilen TUSAŞ AKSUNGUR SİHA, görüntülendi! MİLLİ MUHİMMATIMIZ DA GÖRÜNTÜLENDİ AKSUNGUR'un kanat

video.haber7.com

 

[Zafer]

Indonesia plans to buy Akıncı

 

[Oublious]

Last part Akinci with tail number S53...

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Last part Akinci with tail number S53...

I think the 1st prototype of TB-3 doesn't seem to have the foldable hinges on the wings. PT-2 clearly has them.
I may be wrong though.

 

[Huelague]

I want to see integrated rotary within the wings and pivoting rotors, like 'Osprey'.

@SelcukBaykar?

 

[Oublious]

test flight 31.

 

[Huelague]

test flight 31.

Damn!
They still fly.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

I'm bored of TB3 flights.

I think we all want to see more Kızılelma and Anka 3 videos. I especially can't wait to see them being mass produced.

Fingers crossed we will see Kızılelmas with Turkish airforce roundels this year.


Apart from Anka 3/4 and Kızılelma, a I'd love to see two new types of drones:

1) A VTOL CAS and loitering munition mothership drone:

(Ignore the design above, it's literally a VTOL from Crysis) Essentially a jet or rotary wing VTOL drone which can provide traditional CAS similar to a helicopter, but is also capable of launching and coordinating kamikaze drone attacks.

We have quite a few loitering munition products such as Kargı and Alpagu. We've obviously observed how effective these types of weapons are over the past few years. BUT, generally these are operated by soldiers who are relatively close to enemy. This simply makes them impractical for mountain warfare for numerous reasons.

A mothership VTOL drone with an advanced sensor package could serve as as a "mastermind" through which dozens of loitering munitions can be controlled via SATCOM. This would allow us to launch mass attacks deep into enemy territory, including strikes into PKK caves where which Kargı's or other drones switch to their fully autonomous mode and wreak havoc on all terrorists within.

We need something like this to completely eradicate PKK in the mountains.

2) A low flying A10 or SU-25-like CAS drone:

Purely for shock and awe.

 

[Zafer]

The US is looking for fast VTOL flyers. We need such flyers too. One that can fly from the helicopter port of any navy ship and can reach half a mach or more.

DARPA VTOL Down Select Expected In Weeks As Designs Mature | Aviation Week

DARPA is likely to make a down select for a high-speed vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) prototype program within weeks.

aviationweek.com

 

[Iskander]

UAV A 10?!

The American Mojave drone with a DAP-6 minigun with a total rate of fire of 6000 rounds per minute hit ground targets during testing

https://www.realcleardefense.com/2024/04/24/minigun-armed_mojave_drone_blasting_targets_at_6000_roundsminute_1027098.html

 

[boredaf]

2) A low flying A10 or SU-25-like CAS drone:

While I like and agree with the first concept, I think this is pretty pointless and a waste of resources when everyone and their mums seem to have manpads. And not just manpads, but systems like Iran's 358 missile will become more available as well.

To save cost on 50k missiles you'd be risking several millions worth drone. Warfare has moved on from A 10 and its kind of close air support, there is no need to go back in time.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

While I like and agree with the first concept, I think this is pretty pointless and a waste of resources when everyone and their mums seem to have manpads. And not just manpads, but systems like Iran's 358 missile will become more available as well.

To save cost on 50k missiles you'd be risking several millions worth drone. Warfare has moved on from A 10 and its kind of close air support, there is no need to go back in time.

There's a constant battle between weapons designed to destroy vehicles and countermeasures... Whilst I agree that both ground and air vehicles, especially helicopters are more susceptible than ever before, they aren't going anywhere.

I'd honestly say that jet-powered VTOL aircraft could host comprehensive countermeasure packages with 360 degree coverage. They could have hardkill APS similar to tanks, Atom 40mm turrets or something similar to MSDM. The possibilities are endless.

At the end of the day, I see my first concept as an evolution of attack helicopters. As susceptible as helicopters are, they're still a force to be reckoned with. There isn't really an alternative to them currently. Fixed wing drones and multirole fighters/bombers are great, but neither of them can clean up the battlefield as meticulously as an attack helicopter.



As for the second concept, yes it's completely impractical. But it's f*cking cool.