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[Yasar_TR]

I know we all eagerly wait for TF-10000 to be ready for KızılElma. I wonder how much of a performance boost it will bring after AI-322F? Is it mosly anticipated for unreliablilty of Ukranian supply or for the use of a domestic engine?

As per @Pokemonte13 has pointed out, when fully mature, the TF10000 should give 10% or maximum 15% more thrust than the Ukranian engine (going by the performance of TEI on TS1400). The TF10000 has slightly bigger diameter than AI322F. (65cm vs 62.4cm) . It is only logical to expect a higher level of thrust from it.
Using single crystal turbine blades and more advanced parts and technology in it’s design, should result in a much more reliable engine than an old Soviet engine.

But most importantly, TF10000 is being designed to be used in a stealthy aircraft. Hence all parts including fan blades and compressor blades and airflow management should be designed to give minimum reflection of radar signals.

So both, TF6000 and TF10000 engines should outperform the corresponding Ukranian engines both in thrust and definitely in stealth.

 

[Afif]

I dont think he is specifically/necessarily talking about data link only since he uses a general term '' communication jamming''

I mean, there isn't much general about it.

Communication between 5th gen platforms and its autonomous loyal wingman will occur through directional data links. Just like between two other manned 5th gen platforms.

I think this should be taken into consideration when wondering about the operational effectiveness of loyal wingman concept in electromagnetically contested environment.

 

[Quasar]

Moreover, if we want to focus on low observability further our data link should evolve accordingly as well i.e as a part of low observablty concept we may need to use low probability of intercept (LPI) datalinks eventually.

I mean, there isn't much general about it.

Communication between 5th gen platforms and its autonomous loyal wingman will occur through directional data links. Just like between two other manned 5th gen platforms.

I think this should be taken into consideration when wondering about the operational effectiveness of loyal wingman concept in electromagnetically contested environment.

You are definitely right about directional data links!!! thanks guess this is an interesting subject which ı was looking for an opportunity to discuss which is also relevent to operational effectiveness of loyal wingman as you stated ... for instance F-35s can send information to F-22s directly via Link 16 which is omnidirectional and in a far more widely adopted waveform and not very LPI/LPD ( low probability of intercept/low probability of detection) in nature... not good enough ... if you are concerning with remaining as stealthy as possible.

it was long time ago I may need to be updated but F-35 was using Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL) and F 22 was using Intra-Flight Data Link (IFDL) and both were highly directional broadcasting concepts which are known as Millimeter Wave Systems... and extremely difficult to jam. İn the long run defenitly something we should work on.

Furter, F 22 and F 35 were using an U 2 as a gateway to share target tracks... since they have different systems

 

[hugh]

it was long time ago I may need to be updated but F-35 was using Multifunction Advanced Data Link (MADL) and F 22 was using Intra-Flight Data Link (IFDL) and both were highly directional broadcasting concepts which are known as Millimeter Wave Systems... and extremely difficult to jam. İn the long run defenitly something we should work on.

we already have Ku-band terminals for stealth communication. ASELSAN has displayed them in this year's defence fair