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[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2026930811417591933

Baykar-Leonardo joint UAV program targets April. It has been announced that the assembly and production of the first medium-class unmanned aerial vehicles developed within the scope of the #Baykar and #Leonardo partnership will be completed in April; the project plans to move to the testing and demonstration phase before mass production.

 

[King_West]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2027442140284862784

Can you post the full article for people without a subscription?

 

[Kaan Azman]

ASELSAN Details the Components of KIZILELMA's FEWS-U | TURDEF

ASELSAN has provided information regarding the components of KIZILELMA's FEWS-U self-protection electronic warfare system that was recently tested onboard.

turdef.com

FEWS-U also includes flare/chaff dispenser as expected, also LPI comms

 

[Yasar_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2028544131916595296

TUSAŞ General Manager Demiroğlu inspected the ANKA-3's domestically produced TF-6000 engine on the test platform.

I hope we may see the TF6000 on an Anka-3 earlier than envisaged.
Logic dictates that by the time those LRIP birds are built, this engine will have reached the necessary maturity to be tested on the actual plane.

 

[Saithan]

Our projects are nice and necessary to mature and progress, but considering what we're seeing around the frontiers now. I seriously hope we have the capacity to built 500-800 suicide drones a day if not more. As I don't think our TB2 and such would last long in a battlefield saturated with AD, A2A, drones and such.

Yet again we're seeing how important it is to have fighterjets to take out AD and strategic targets. Missiles just ain't going to cut it by themselves.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Our projects are nice and necessary to mature and progress, but considering what we're seeing around the frontiers now. I seriously hope we have the capacity to built 500-800 suicide drones a day if not more. As I don't think our TB2 and such would last long in a battlefield saturated with AD, A2A, drones and such.

Yet again we're seeing how important it is to have fighterjets to take out AD and strategic targets. Missiles just ain't going to cut it by themselves.

We need some 10 spy satellites and thousends of hypersonic missiles with range of 1000-4000 km and warhead of 1-10 ton . With Those No one can mess with us .
Buying eurofighter is just money spent for nothing as we are witness how easy is to shoot down non steath aircrafts from 4 rafales of india to 3 F15 of US .
We cound spent the money on very more important systems made in Turkiye

 

[Saithan]

I disagree, firing off missiles from your own airspace to take out enemy targets is just as important. Especially if you can use a drone inside enemy airspace to locate and share the target location.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

France wants to station nukes in greece, if this isn't reason enough to build our own, I don't know what is...

 

[Pokemonte13]

France wants to station nukes in greece, if this isn't reason enough to build our own, I don't know what is...

What kind of nukes?

 

[Huelague]

France wants to station nukes in greece, if this isn't reason enough to build our own, I don't know what is...

Source?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Source?

It was all over Reddit.

 

[Kitra]

We need some 10 spy satellites and thousends of hypersonic missiles with range of 1000-4000 km and warhead of 1-10 ton . With Those No one can mess with us .
Buying eurofighter is just money spent for nothing as we are witness how easy is to shoot down non steath aircrafts from 4 rafales of india to 3 F15 of US .
We cound spent the money on very more important systems made in Turkiye

We need nukes. The French are placing them in several EU countries. Others, such as Poland and Germany, are talking about developing their own. Others are are most likely considering them but not making it public. Then we have Israel.

Turkey MUST get nukes asap.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The problem is that the moment a nuclear programme – whether official or unofficial – is launched, virtually all international pressure would be directed at us. The entire Middle East, including Israel, as well as Europe, the United States and Russia, would most likely oppose it, both economically, strategically and militarily.

It would therefore make more sense to focus on basic nuclear research and to have the launch vehicles ready for this, so that in an emergency we would be technically capable of developing nuclear weapons within two to three months. Japan, for example, is pursuing a similar model.

Personally, however, I would be more in favour of intensifying research into vacuum bombs even more and further increasing their effectiveness so that they could also be used as MIRV payloads, for example. There is still potential for development in this area to achieve the effectiveness of small tactical nuclear weapons without officially possessing nuclear weapons or triggering international reactions. Countries such as Greece and Israel could and would still protest, but it would not matter because we would be legally in the clear.

 

[King_West]

The problem is that the moment a nuclear programme – whether official or unofficial – is launched, virtually all international pressure would be directed at us. The entire Middle East, including Israel, as well as Europe, the United States and Russia, would most likely oppose it, both economically, strategically and militarily.

It would therefore make more sense to focus on basic nuclear research and to have the launch vehicles ready for this, so that in an emergency we would be technically capable of developing nuclear weapons within two to three months. Japan, for example, is pursuing a similar model.

Personally, however, I would be more in favour of intensifying research into vacuum bombs even more and further increasing their effectiveness so that they could also be used as MIRV payloads, for example. There is still potential for development in this area to achieve the effectiveness of small tactical nuclear weapons without officially possessing nuclear weapons or triggering international reactions. Countries such as Greece and Israel could and would still protest, but it would not matter because we would be legally in the clear.

no, we need it for deterence. There is no deterence if you need 3 months to make one.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

That's flawed logic. Take a closer look at Turkey, despite its economic currency problems.
Its industry and supply chains are interconnected with Europe, the Middle East/Far East, Africa, Russia, China and the USA.
There are many Spanish and European banks, investors and industry corporations in Turkey investing billions. Do you really think they would leave their money lying around in a war just because Israel has a problem? Money, supply chains and energy transit are very powerful tools, and the more you are connected with other countries (stakeholders), the more invulnerable you become. Because no one wants to lose their money, and even Israel can't change that in the end.

In addition, the war in Iran has made Europe even more fearful. Rules that previously existed have been abolished by the US and Israel, which means that Russia will soon exert more military pressure on Europe, and Turkish drones and ammunition will be purchased. Even countries such as Germany, Sweden, Finland and Norway will purchase Turkish systems and ammunition because we have the scale and capacity.

Iran is isolated, it is a commodity seller, there are no investors, no large foreign capital and no supply chains that would be sensitive to the US/Europe, which is why Iran is being screwed right now because nobody simply lose money in USA/Israel & Europe in long term.
Except for the fact that oil prices are rising right now, nothing has happened. Of course, prices for Goods are rising right now because of Oil, but it's nothing that could be solved in 2-3 weeks by Iran's demise.

 

[GoatsMilk]

no, we need it for deterence. There is no deterence if you need 3 months to make one.

yeah, because as can be seen with iran, it only takes a few days to the bomb the shit out of your nation. But i would have thought that any Turkish programme would have been conducted externally via pakistan. Potentially its a project that only a few people would need to know about. Basically the top decision maker in Turkiye and Pakistan. The Pakistanis themselves would believe they are producing the warheads for themselves. But in reality they would be there in case the Turks require them. For this to work you would only need a few people at the top of the government and military to know about it on both sides.

And putting the close relationship aside, even if there was little to no relationship, the pakistanis are wise enough to know that after this Turkiye and Pakistan maybe the last 2 muslim majority nations standing. If Turkiye were to fall, then Pakistan is on their own.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Akinci has reached 150.000 flight hours!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2030121995459842470

 

[IC3M@N FX]

It's time to develop a turbofan version of it as a strategic bomber, with a payload of 5-6 tonnes and a flying speed of 800-900 km/h.
For this, 2x TEI TF 6000 or AI-322 engines are sufficient.

As AWACS drones, it would also make sense; Turkey needs at least 2-3 more big AWACS Aircraft.
6-8 Akinci turbofans with a very large AESA radar on the back could significantly increase Turkey's capabilities.

 

[Iskander]

It's time to develop a turbofan version of it as a strategic bomber, with a payload of 5-6 tonnes and a flying speed of 800-900 km/h.
For this, 2x TEI TF 6000 or AI-322 engines are sufficient.

As AWACS drones, it would also make sense; Turkey needs at least 2-3 more big AWACS Aircraft.
6-8 Akinci turbofans with a very large AESA radar on the back could significantly increase Turkey's capabilities.

I think even two TEI TF 6000 engines won't be enough for such a load. There were rumors before that it would have two engines, but I don't remember which ones.
What about a single TF 35000 engine? Would that be suitable? Even if not, I think it would require minor modifications. And as a fighter, it would be superior to the current version with a Ukrainian engine.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I think even two TEI TF 6000 engines won't be enough for such a load. There were rumors before that it would have two engines, but I don't remember which ones.
What about a single TF 35000 engine? Would that be suitable? Even if not, I think it would require minor modifications. And as a fighter, it would be superior to the current version with a Ukrainian engine.

Too expensive, don't forget these are disposable products where the loss is factored in. Even if it only carries payloads of 4-5 tonnes, that's enough. It's supposed to take over some of the missions, not all of them. A total of 12,000 lbf with 2 engines is enough to carry these payloads; the drone moves in subsonic space anyway, so more lbf is not necessary.

Don't forget Akinci has 2x Turboprop Engines, and the drone carries a payload of 1.5 to 2 tonnes.
In addition, an A-10 has two 9000-lbf engines and can carry 7-8 tonnes of payload, and we are talking about a CAS and air-to-ground aircraft that has to carry even more complex electronics and equipment for the pilot. None of that applies to drones, so 4-6 tonnes is very realistic, as they fly at subsonic speeds of 800-900 km/h.

With this philosophy, you can completely replace the F-16, even as a multirole fighter aircraft from 2030+ onwards.

KAAN, Eurofighter and F-16 Özgür II as high-end dominance, interceptors, first strike, SEAD/DEAD missions.

For patrols, CAS missions, reconnaissance and long-term pressure in the Aegean Sea on Greece and Israel, and I'm talking about real pressure:

Hürjet LCA as drone coordinator and fighter jet
Kizilelma as forward sensor node and stealth drone
Anka 3 as sensor node, stealth bomber and remote AAM truck.
Akinci turbofan as a strategic bomber in the background carrying 6-8 SOM cruise missiles or several intelligent Rockets, loitering and MK 82-84 bombs.

Israel and Greece cannot fly their F-35I, F-15I, F-16I and F-35, Rafale and F-16 fleets 24 hours a day with a large number of sorties; that would be very expensive.
All they have left are the F-16 and Rafale as wear-and-tear aircraft that are in constant use, and for that, the Hürjet LCA, Kizilelma, Anka 3 and Akinci Turbofan are enough to keep them in check in terms of missions.