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So there is nothing official, and we can assume that this is fake news. We have not made any statements in this regard, let alone held a meeting between the Turkish and Moroccan defence ministers, which is usually how strategic matters are clarified. Therefore, the truthfulness of this report is 0.00%.

Before something like this happens, delegations exchange views several times and a memorandum of understanding is signed.

Baykar mina have established its branch with the name Atlas Defense in Morocco. I have not published any news on the forum because we lack official data on the matter related to what will be produced. The only fact we know for now is that a 2.5 million USD injection has been made with the name Atlas Defense. Maintenance of existing platforms will be part of the program, aswell as production.
 

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ADVENT 🤜🏻🤛🏻 Bayraktar TB3

✈️ Integration tests between the ADVENT Combat Management System and the Bayraktar TB3 UCAV have been successfully completed! 🛡️

The integration is limited for now, the semi-integrated ground control station (a.k.a. the uav operations room) lies within the hangar, with its organic, sensor, data-link and SATCOM infastructure scattered around the ship separately from ship's. The integration is made between drone operations room and CMS.

This is highly robust and fair approach from the perspective of drone manufacturer; minimum relience on ship's equipments, minimum knowledge of ship's control systems and using common gateways of CMS and Data management system to integrate one-way data relays, could also might be extended to two-way later easily. This is an effective approach for sales, and quick acquisitions by other Navies allowing integration to be carried out during a minor maintenance, even without docking, schedule without re-testing all the equipments. Even with pure ISR and light engagement the TB3 is a capability extender for amphibious assets; cheap, easy to integrate, unmatching ISR capability with long endurance and low operations costs, for being unmanned allowing high-risk zone deployments.

However, it is highly inadequent from perspective of the Navy. It is not visible for now since drone operations are mainly limited to ISR, light engagements and amphibious support but it will be more prominent in future when amphibious asset on ground (or transport helos, Special Forces, attack helos) may need to use drone for communication relay, or to obtain live-feed for situational awareness (same applies for fleet).

At the current stage, the integration most importantly eliminates the possibility of drone being engaged by accompanying ships, or Anadolu's own protection systems, recognizing it as an 'organic' asset.

There are shortcomings of drone operations room not being in physical integration with the operations room, and flight bridge but this would be luxury for what Anadolu has already been designed without thinking of this extension.

There is a long way to go;
  • Drone operations room sharing the same room with operations room; i.e. being designed in such a way to achieve secure flow of commands and situational awareness.
  • Drone-related equipment is being integrated more seamlessly alongside the bridge.
  • Drones supporting take-off and land without the visual assist (RF-IR based)
  • Drone control stations supporting two-way integration with CMS hence allowing commander to take over the control, or plot a course, select a zone, view - tilt the EO payload.
  • Better integration for further sensor payloads to combine the data with ship's sensors (such as ESM / ECM, SAR/MTI).
  • There is plenty more, such as; a maintenance rig and spare/inspection routines for naval deployments.
 

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The integration is limited for now, the semi-integrated ground control station (a.k.a. the uav operations room) lies within the hangar, with its organic, sensor, data-link and SATCOM infastructure scattered around the ship separately from ship's. The integration is made between drone operations room and CMS.

This is highly robust and fair approach from the perspective of drone manufacturer; minimum relience on ship's equipments, minimum knowledge of ship's control systems and using common gateways of CMS and Data management system to integrate one-way data relays, could also might be extended to two-way later easily. This is an effective approach for sales, and quick acquisitions by other Navies allowing integration to be carried out during a minor maintenance, even without docking, schedule without re-testing all the equipments. Even with pure ISR and light engagement the TB3 is a capability extender for amphibious assets; cheap, easy to integrate, unmatching ISR capability with long endurance and low operations costs, for being unmanned allowing high-risk zone deployments.

However, it is highly inadequent from perspective of the Navy. It is not visible for now since drone operations are mainly limited to ISR, light engagements and amphibious support but it will be more prominent in future when amphibious asset on ground (or transport helos, Special Forces, attack helos) may need to use drone for communication relay, or to obtain live-feed for situational awareness (same applies for fleet).

At the current stage, the integration most importantly eliminates the possibility of drone being engaged by accompanying ships, or Anadolu's own protection systems, recognizing it as an 'organic' asset.

There are shortcomings of drone operations room not being in physical integration with the operations room, and flight bridge but this would be luxury for what Anadolu has already been designed without thinking of this extension.

There is a long way to go;
  • Drone operations room sharing the same room with operations room; i.e. being designed in such a way to achieve secure flow of commands and situational awareness.
  • Drone-related equipment is being integrated more seamlessly alongside the bridge.
  • Drones supporting take-off and land without the visual assist (RF-IR based)
  • Drone control stations supporting two-way integration with CMS hence allowing commander to take over the control, or plot a course, select a zone, view - tilt the EO payload.
  • Better integration for further sensor payloads to combine the data with ship's sensors (such as ESM / ECM, SAR/MTI).
  • There is plenty more, such as; a maintenance rig and spare/inspection routines for naval deployments.
Great write up. Wholly agree that it's basically a a shoe-in; adding something it was not supposed to have; but pretty good start in less than a year. I don't know how much of this Anadolu will be able to accommodate; but fares good for the future iteration aboard MUGEM; which is no doubt being planned with all this in mind; and now also with experience from it.

Makes me interested in seeing at least a design of a very light carrier; a bit bigger than what the Portuguese are doing, that doesn't also has to carry a marine brigade.
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New EOTS flight from KE.
 

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Great write up. Wholly agree that it's basically a a shoe-in; adding something it was not supposed to have; but pretty good start in less than a year. I don't know how much of this Anadolu will be able to accommodate; but fares good for the future iteration aboard MUGEM; which is no doubt being planned with all this in mind; and now also with experience from it.

Makes me interested in seeing at least a design of a very light carrier; a bit bigger than what the Portuguese are doing, that doesn't also has to carry a marine brigade.
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New EOTS flight from KE.
I typed the post just so that we may have a bigger picture for what's needed with MUGEM; assuming that for the aircraft carrier both TAI and Baykar will provide drone systems and it would be illogical for each to introduce their own components and communication systems. There will be needed a holistic approach to enable manned and unmanned systems operated from the single flight operations room with common communication backbone.

For TB3, however, i don't see it a force multiplier as the KE/ANKAIII for MUGEM are; and it is acceptable to have standalone integration approach to extend capabilities of amphibious assets.

I also thought of a similar light carrier (or better to call multi-purpose platform) operated by minimal crew and serving both logistical needs of smaller fleets and providing the fleet ships with extended ISR capabilities and OTH protection for USVs, eliminating the reliance on SATCOM and GPS if needed by local network.

I bet they are working on a single-engine and similarly sized turbo-prop drone with higher payload and volume for further integration of systems and weapons.
 
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The integration is limited for now, the semi-integrated ground control station (a.k.a. the uav operations room) lies within the hangar, with its organic, sensor, data-link and SATCOM infastructure scattered around the ship separately from ship's. The integration is made between drone operations room and CMS.

This is highly robust and fair approach from the perspective of drone manufacturer; minimum relience on ship's equipments, minimum knowledge of ship's control systems and using common gateways of CMS and Data management system to integrate one-way data relays, could also might be extended to two-way later easily. This is an effective approach for sales, and quick acquisitions by other Navies allowing integration to be carried out during a minor maintenance, even without docking, schedule without re-testing all the equipments. Even with pure ISR and light engagement the TB3 is a capability extender for amphibious assets; cheap, easy to integrate, unmatching ISR capability with long endurance and low operations costs, for being unmanned allowing high-risk zone deployments.

However, it is highly inadequent from perspective of the Navy. It is not visible for now since drone operations are mainly limited to ISR, light engagements and amphibious support but it will be more prominent in future when amphibious asset on ground (or transport helos, Special Forces, attack helos) may need to use drone for communication relay, or to obtain live-feed for situational awareness (same applies for fleet).

At the current stage, the integration most importantly eliminates the possibility of drone being engaged by accompanying ships, or Anadolu's own protection systems, recognizing it as an 'organic' asset.

There are shortcomings of drone operations room not being in physical integration with the operations room, and flight bridge but this would be luxury for what Anadolu has already been designed without thinking of this extension.

There is a long way to go;
  • Drone operations room sharing the same room with operations room; i.e. being designed in such a way to achieve secure flow of commands and situational awareness.
  • Drone-related equipment is being integrated more seamlessly alongside the bridge.
  • Drones supporting take-off and land without the visual assist (RF-IR based)
  • Drone control stations supporting two-way integration with CMS hence allowing commander to take over the control, or plot a course, select a zone, view - tilt the EO payload.
  • Better integration for further sensor payloads to combine the data with ship's sensors (such as ESM / ECM, SAR/MTI).
  • There is plenty more, such as; a maintenance rig and spare/inspection routines for naval deployments.

Good news incoming already :D
 

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TUSAŞ General Manager Demiroğlu inspected the ANKA-3's domestically produced TF-6000 engine on the test platform.

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I hope we may see the TF6000 on an Anka-3 earlier than envisaged.
Logic dictates that by the time those LRIP birds are built, this engine will have reached the necessary maturity to be tested on the actual plane.
 

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Our projects are nice and necessary to mature and progress, but considering what we're seeing around the frontiers now. I seriously hope we have the capacity to built 500-800 suicide drones a day if not more. As I don't think our TB2 and such would last long in a battlefield saturated with AD, A2A, drones and such.

Yet again we're seeing how important it is to have fighterjets to take out AD and strategic targets. Missiles just ain't going to cut it by themselves.
 

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Our projects are nice and necessary to mature and progress, but considering what we're seeing around the frontiers now. I seriously hope we have the capacity to built 500-800 suicide drones a day if not more. As I don't think our TB2 and such would last long in a battlefield saturated with AD, A2A, drones and such.

Yet again we're seeing how important it is to have fighterjets to take out AD and strategic targets. Missiles just ain't going to cut it by themselves.
We need some 10 spy satellites and thousends of hypersonic missiles with range of 1000-4000 km and warhead of 1-10 ton . With Those No one can mess with us .
Buying eurofighter is just money spent for nothing as we are witness how easy is to shoot down non steath aircrafts from 4 rafales of india to 3 F15 of US .
We cound spent the money on very more important systems made in Turkiye 🇹🇷
 

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I disagree, firing off missiles from your own airspace to take out enemy targets is just as important. Especially if you can use a drone inside enemy airspace to locate and share the target location.
 
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