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So Anka 3 will now be able to carry 1600kg, they also increased the wingspan and the length. Hopefully that extra meter of length means they're finally covering the nozzle.
More importantly it should have bigger IWB to accommodate larger missiles like Som-j. The larger wing area together with the prospective higher output thrust from TF6000 will give higher performance to the plane and the indigenous engine’s inherent stealthy structure would help with the low observability of the aircraft as a whole.
 

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The increase in the aircraft's MTOW appears to have increased both structural and fuel weight. In addition to the structural weight increase resulting from the dimensional growth, we can estimate that approximately 100-150 kg of this increase has gone towards additional fuel capacity thanks to the expanded wing and fuselage volume.

Most probably, the most critical benefit of the structural growth is the estimated 20-25% increase in the internal weapon bay (IWB) volume. A rough geometric calculation yields a new volume ratio of 1.126 (length) x 1.04 (height) x 1.05 (width) = 1.23. While this is an optimistic estimate, it's certain that the weapon bay directly benefits from this growth. A 23% increase in IWB volume may have brought the ammunition length that can fit inside the bay to the critical threshold of 3.8-4.0 meters. Also onsidering that the payload capacity of each station within the IWB was 650 kg in the old specifications, we can talk about a maximum ammunition carrying capacity of 900 kg in the new structure, ideally around 750-800 kg. This increase represents a very critical geometric transformation that can roughly double the destructive power of ANKA-3 on the target in its full stealth mission profile.
 

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The increase in the aircraft's MTOW appears to have increased both structural and fuel weight. In addition to the structural weight increase resulting from the dimensional growth, we can estimate that approximately 100-150 kg of this increase has gone towards additional fuel capacity thanks to the expanded wing and fuselage volume.

Most probably, the most critical benefit of the structural growth is the estimated 20-25% increase in the internal weapon bay (IWB) volume. A rough geometric calculation yields a new volume ratio of 1.126 (length) x 1.04 (height) x 1.05 (width) = 1.23. While this is an optimistic estimate, it's certain that the weapon bay directly benefits from this growth. A 23% increase in IWB volume may have brought the ammunition length that can fit inside the bay to the critical threshold of 3.8-4.0 meters. Also onsidering that the payload capacity of each station within the IWB was 650 kg in the old specifications, we can talk about a maximum ammunition carrying capacity of 900 kg in the new structure, ideally around 750-800 kg. This increase represents a very critical geometric transformation that can roughly double the destructive power of ANKA-3 on the target in its full stealth mission profile.
Can it at least carry HGK 83 then?
In the info graphic i only saw MK82.
 

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Can it at least carry HGK 83 then?
In the info graphic i only saw MK82.
My amateur opinion and rough calculation suggest that the main reason for this expansion is indeed tailored for the 83-series bombs and guidance kits, as the primary constraint was physical length. Of course, until the exact internal dimensions of the IWBs are officially released, we can only speculate.

However, to address the core question: Is it aerodynamically or structurally viable that the aircraft's overall volume increased by nearly 23% while the IWB volume remained unchanged? In flying wing configurations, internal space is at a premium. Enlarging the centerbody length and height almost always signals a need to expand the main internal bay, rather than just adding empty structural weight or dead space.

Furthermore, the wingspan increased by a mere 5%. Given the blended wing-body design, this minor stretch seems to be a natural structural consequence of increasing the overall fuselage length, rather than an aerodynamic effort to lower approach speeds for MÜGEM (carrier-borne) operations. While the total wing area has expanded, keeping the wingspan strictly constrained suggests that the primary driver behind this geometric growth is payload optimization and internal volume clearance, not low-speed handling qualities. We’ll have to wait and see.
 
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Then they should start working on the folding wings for the Anka 3 right now, rather than waiting until the Aircraft Carrier (MUGEM) arrives to begin development. The same applies to the Hürjet and Kizilelma—the project should be completed by the time the Aircraft Carrier is officially commissioned. They have the time now and can develop it.

They should finally remove that ugly nozzle when the TF-6000 is integrated. Who knows, maybe we’ll get lucky and TEI can squeeze 7,000–8,000 lbf out of the TF-6000 Design—then the Anka 3 should be able to fly just over Mach 1.2 even without an afterburner.
 

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Then they should start working on the folding wings for the Anka 3 right now, rather than waiting until the Aircraft Carrier (MUGEM) arrives to begin development. The same applies to the Hürjet and Kizilelma—the project should be completed by the time the Aircraft Carrier is officially commissioned. They have the time now and can develop it.

They should finally remove that ugly nozzle when the TF-6000 is integrated. Who knows, maybe we’ll get lucky and TEI can squeeze 7,000–8,000 lbf out of the TF-6000 Design—then the Anka 3 should be able to fly just over Mach 1.2 even without an afterburner.
Folding wings can cause a considerable weight penalty in a flying wing airframe. To this, let's add the need for corrosion-resistant and reinforced structures, as well as the possible need for landing gear reinforcement. I don't know if it's a benchmark, but if I remember correctly, the navalization penalty in the conceptual specifications of the Hürjet-D variant was around 6% (from 5500 to 5830). I don't remember where I saw this information; it may not be official. Nevertheless, I believe that TUSAŞ's aircraft structural and advanced composite capabilities will enable them to keep the navalization penalty of the ANKA-3 to a minimum.
 

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Furthermore, the wingspan increased by a mere 5%.
Please don’t go a miss that ; Extension of length by a meter automatically increases the wing area by a good amount which is the real parameter that matters when it comes to “lift”. Coarsely calculated it should be 18-20% increase in wing area.
 

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Is it possible to add RAL to Anka3 and Hürjet, mat they lack power to tale off with maximum load?
 

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To me this shows how far ahead Baykar is in its sector. Afaik K2, SİVRİSİNEK and MIZRAK already have these features, which STM plans for KUZGUN in the future. But this doesn't mean that we don't need simpler kamikaze drones like KUZGUN, they will be effective to saturate enemy AD, also a nice bonus if they come through.

For KUZGUN, our top priority is cost-effectiveness. But at the same time, it will be able to carry a highly effective warhead. Currently, while it's heading to a specific coordinate, in the future, concepts like a bit more steerability, operating in swarms, or perhaps working together with our other drones are also on our agenda, and we're evaluating those.


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Better agility? Uçaksan been there pretty much

I just feel like these simpler types should be offloaded to smaller firms to help them grow faster, distribute production, and take away workload from the bigger ones
 

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Meet Agnessa Pedersen - the 23 year old from Norway building mind controlled drones. She has just spent the last 6 months in Ukraine building the product. She has built non-invasive brain-computer interfaces that eliminate the need for physical controls, such as joysticks. Her company, CEREBIONICS, is betting that all physical systems in the future will be controlled and operated via brain-computer interfaces. At age 16 she built a robot arm in her bedroom to draw portraits for her, and now she's building mind-controlled drones.
 

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There is a large group of people who believe that the aircraft shot down in Sudan by an Akıncı using an air-to-air missile was actually a RAFALE. Has there been any official statement about this, or does anyone with reliable information know what really happened?
 

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There is a large group of people who believe that the aircraft shot down in Sudan by an Akıncı using an air-to-air missile was actually a RAFALE. Has there been any official statement about this, or does anyone with reliable information know what really happened?
UAE rafales are on order , even if few have arrived , i don't think they will send them direct to warzone without some training .
İ think it was L15 light attack trainer or chinese drone CH6
-İn video there was no seat eject chute so 70% chance it was a drone
 
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There is a large group of people who believe that the aircraft shot down in Sudan by an Akıncı using an air-to-air missile was actually a RAFALE. Has there been any official statement about this, or does anyone with reliable information know what really happened?
Would have been mega news worldwide
 

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There is a large group of people who believe that the aircraft shot down in Sudan by an Akıncı using an air-to-air missile was actually a RAFALE. Has there been any official statement about this, or does anyone with reliable information know what really happened?
There is also a large group of people who believe earth is flat.
 
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