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[contricusc]

Nothing to do with being civilized. Waging war itself is part of an advanced stage of civilization. Because no country wage war unless it has at least a developed, military,economic and technological sector. And its even more true in the 20th and 21st century.

The more correct terms for your excuse is not being uncivilized, but being inhumane. Learn the difference.

What you consider “civilized” is more accurately referred to as “developed” or “advanced”.

The term “civilized” implies some moral standards and manners.

One of the definitions of the word “civilized” is “polite and well-mannered”.

You can’t be polite and well-mannered while waging war, pillaging or when stealing.

You confuse the idea of an advanced country from an organizational and technological point of view with a civilized country, which also implies a moral code.

Nazi Germany was not what we call “civilized”, but it was extremely developed and well organized for its time.

A country like Bhutan is much more civilized than Nazi Germany, despite not being a big power or a technological powerhouse.

 

[Soldier30]

Video created by the engineering troops of Ukraine, a powerful underground fortified structure, created in the form of a square. In the drone video, you can see the many entrances to the underground structure, connected by an extensive network of underground tunnels.

Published footage of the evacuation of a damaged Russian tank by two Russian engineering vehicles, under the blows of Ukrainian artillery. The video was filmed in the Uludar direction and shortened, showing the brightest moments.

 

[Gary]

What you consider “civilized” is more accurately referred to as “developed” or “advanced”.

The term “civilized” implies some moral standards and manners.

Moral standards and manners differed from country to country people to people, and there's no real 'universal' accaptance of what is listed as civilized, but what is clear is that civilized people are developed enough which characterized their advance taste, manner, and overall well organized.

Stealing is uncivilized if done by personal means, but stealing on a grand scale clearly is civilized. In fact modern economy is based on stealing. The interests based economy is in fact a mass state sanctioned and organzied stealing from the poor by the rich.

So does killing and invading, if done on a personal level, its uncivilized, but move the scale into nation sized attempt, that's totally normal. Because everyone is doing it.

If killing and invading someone else equals to uncivilized, then the Roman Empire, The Arab and Turkish Caliphate, The British empire, The Americans etc, none of those would be considered 'civilized'.

One of the definitions of the word “civilized” is “polite and well-mannered”.

Yes just one.

You can’t be polite and well-mannered while waging war, pillaging or when stealing.

Yes you can, the Brits are polite and well mannered as well, in fact the 19th century portrayal of a British Gentlemen is summarized as this

Doesn't stop them from tying humans in front of a cannon and torn their bodies in the process.

Not to metion stealing people's land

And this is at the peak of Britain's and European 'enlightment'

You confuse the idea of an advanced country from an organizational and technological point of view with a civilized country, which also implies a moral code.

look at the example above. I've never heard Britain called as uncivilized, why should Russia be called uncivilized now for practicing realpolitik on the battlefield ?

Nazi Germany was not what we call “civilized”, but it was extremely developed and well organized for its time.

A country like Bhutan is much more civilized than Nazi Germany, despite not being a big power or a technological powerhouse.

Nazi Germany while having comitted crime, their crime is not that extraordinary to begin with. Yeah I know they unjustly killed some people, but so does everyone else including members of the allies.

The very reasons why the Nazi crimes are magnified is because their victim is now powerful enough to control the narratives, I don't see what so strange with Nazi brutality compared to maybe Belgian brutality in Africa, France's brutality in Mali against blacks.

In fact Nazi's are pretty much civilized. as does every other country, they dress, they know hygiene, etiquette etc.

In fact I see some hidden racism when it comes to the portrayal of Russians an 'mongols', because Europeans looked down at those people as uncivilized, without proof that they're any better

 

[Ryder]

Moral standards and manners differed from country to country people to people, and there's no real 'universal' accaptance of what is listed as civilized, but what is clear is that civilized people are developed enough which characterized their advance taste, manner, and overall well organized.

Stealing is uncivilized if done by personal means, but stealing on a grand scale clearly is civilized. In fact modern economy is based on stealing. The interests based economy is in fact a mass state sanctioned and organzied stealing from the poor by the rich.

So does killing and invading, if done on a personal level, its uncivilized, but move the scale into nation sized attempt, that's totally normal. Because everyone is doing it.

If killing and invading someone else equals to uncivilized, then the Roman Empire, The Arab and Turkish Caliphate, The British empire, The Americans etc, none of those would be considered 'civilized'.


Yes just one.



Yes you can, the Brits are polite and well mannered as well, in fact the 19th century portrayal of a British Gentlemen is summarized as this

Doesn't stop them from tying humans in front of a cannon and torn their bodies in the process.

Not to metion stealing people's land

And this is at the peak of Britain's and European 'enlightment'

look at the example above. I've never heard Britain called as uncivilized, why should Russia be called uncivilized now for practicing realpolitik on the battlefield ?



Nazi Germany while having comitted crime, their crime is not that extraordinary to begin with. Yeah I know they unjustly killed some people, but so does everyone else including members of the allies.

The very reasons why the Nazi crimes are magnified is because their victim is now powerful enough to control the narratives, I don't see what so strange with Nazi brutality compared to maybe Belgian brutality in Africa, France's brutality in Mali against blacks.

In fact Nazi's are pretty much civilized. as does every other country, they dress, they know hygiene, etiquette etc.

In fact I see some hidden racism when it comes to the portrayal of Russians an 'mongols', because Europeans looked down at those people as uncivilized, without proof that they're any better

Not to mention how the Orcs are based on the Turks, Mongols and the Huns.

 

[contricusc]

Stealing is uncivilized if done by personal means, but stealing on a grand scale clearly is civilized. In fact modern economy is based on stealing. The interests based economy is in fact a mass state sanctioned and organzied stealing from the poor by the rich.

This is simply wrong. One thing cannot be black on a personal level and white on a grand scale. Stealing on a grand scale is not civilized. In most capitalist economies, there is nothing such as ”stealing from the poor by the rich”. Generally, it is the rich who pay the most taxes, and the poor who benefit most from the welfare programs, so it is the other way around.

So does killing and invading, if done on a personal level, its uncivilized, but move the scale into nation sized attempt, that's totally normal. Because everyone is doing it.

Again, this is not true.

First of all, not everyone is doing it. There are many countries that don’t have a history of killing and invading their neighbors. I could name a few if you want: Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Luxemburg, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino (in Europe), then we can move to the Caribbean nations like Bahamas, Barbados, St.Vincent and the Grenadines, etc, which all of them have no history of conquest and killing, and there are many more such countries around the world.

Also, many countries that did it in the past no longer do it, as they are more civilized now. If most countries do something bad, that does not make it acceptable, and it does not make those countries civilized.

If killing and invading someone else equals to uncivilized, then the Roman Empire, The Arab and Turkish Caliphate, The British empire, The Americans etc, none of those would be considered 'civilized'.

By today’s standards, they were all quite barbaric. They were considered civilized by the standards of their times, which were much more brutal than today. If a country today acts in the same way the Romans did, they would be considered a terrorist state.

Yes you can, the Brits are polite and well mannered as well, in fact the 19th century portrayal of a British Gentlemen is summarized as this

Doesn't stop them from tying humans in front of a cannon and torn their bodies in the process.

They were definitely not civilized by modern standards. They just lived in a world where pretty much everyone was a murderous psychopath, so their crimes were ignored.

look at the example above. I've never heard Britain called as uncivilized, why should Russia be called uncivilized now for practicing realpolitik on the battlefield ?

It’s about the century when things happen. Russia is acting like it is still in the 19th century, which by today’s standards is barbaric. You are not civilized if you act like everyone did 200 years ago, especially since the worldwide level of civilization has increased exponentially in the last century.

The very reasons why the Nazi crimes are magnified is because their victim is now powerful enough to control the narratives, I don't see what so strange with Nazi brutality compared to maybe Belgian brutality in Africa, France's brutality in Mali against blacks.

Belgian brutality in Congo is very similar to what the Nazis did. I agree that they are not the only regime doing atrocities, but the fact that it happened in central Europe and not so far in the past magnifies their crimes (from a mediatic perspective). Their crimes are more famous than the crimes of other regimes.

In fact I see some hidden racism when it comes to the portrayal of Russians an 'mongols', because Europeans looked down at those people as uncivilized, without proof that they're any better

The Mongols have been excessively brutal in their conquest even for their times. This is why they earned a very bad reputation of being uncivilized. They were also not very well dressed, clean or well mannered, and combined with their brutality they reminded Europeans of the barbaric tribes of the Roman times. Don’t forget that the first people to be called “barbaric” were the Germanic, Gaelic and Celtic tribes, which are very much European. It’s not a racist thing. The first “barbars” were todays’s Germans, French and British. Maybe this explains why they were so brutal in the times of their colonial empires.

 

[Ecderha]

putin army is using Incendiary shells on its own town of Shebekino, inside russia!
It mean "russia destroying russia to fight russians fighting russians in russia."

It is what it is.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665231163386998784

I will add this To understand What is happening, if you do not get it from above
It is not meme. It describing the Reality

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665323788454559744

 

[Barry]

Definitely not the act of terrorists to drop incendiary munitions on their people and territory.

 

[Gary]

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665471791060381696

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665507123013484544

 

[Gary]

Prigozhin needs to be put in his place really.

 

[Gary]

PAC-2 Launcher

 

[Dmitry]

The counteroffensive has begun.

 

[Afif]

It seems Ukrainians are denying it!

 

[Merzifonlu]

The counteroffensive has begun.

Good luck! From me.

 

[Dmitry]

work of ukrainian snipers in Bahmut

 

[Relic]

It appears that we're seeing probing attacks by Ukraine, in various areas across the front. That makes sense as the next step for Ukraine in their preparation for a counter attack. They've spent the last 2+ weeks hammering Russian artillery and logistics, in preparation for an attack. These probing attacks are doing two things.

1. Finding out where Russia might be vulnerable to a break through.

2. Forcing the Russians into a situation where they have to make quick decisions regarding where to send their reinforcements. That forces them to show their hand and engage reserves, allowing Ukraine to be flexible and reactive. Meanwhile, it fixes Russian troops and equipment into several dispursed locations.

 

[Dmitry]

The counteroffensive has begun.

Alexander Khodakovsky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Khodakovsky) writes that Leopards appeared at the front.

Александр Ходаковский

Ситуация на Новодонецком и левее в сторону Великоновоселовки тяжёлая - противник, нащупав наши слабые места, наращивает усилия. Впервые на нашем тактическом участке увидели леопарды. Как я и предполагал вчера - почувствовав запах успеха, противник бросит в бой дополнительные силы. Только в...

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Google-translate:
The situation on Novodonetsk and to the left towards Velikonovoselovka is difficult - the enemy, having felt our weak points, is stepping up his efforts. For the first time we saw leopards in our tactical area. As I expected yesterday - smelling the smell of success, the enemy will throw additional forces into the battle. Only in the area of Novodonetsky recorded up to thirty units of armored vehicles.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1665704948187668488

 

[Woland]

Prigozhin needs to be put in his place really.

Prigozhin started as Putin's pet project but is now building a faction of his own. He avoids criticizing Putin directly, but instead attacks the Russian Ministry of Defense, specific leaders (Shoigu, Gerasimov) and laments about the overall state of Russia's military. He has been testing what will happen as he grows increasingly critical and arrived at the conclusion that other factions within the Russian government are unable to do much about him. So is he is building a name for himself as a simple man who tells people the truth and is working hard for the success of Russia while the other factions are corrupt and inefficient. He is clearly biding his time for the post-Putin era.

The Russian government has now forbidden media from mentioning him, he can no longer recruit fighters from prisons but his reach continues through social media. There is speculation that he has powerful patrons/allies in the Kovalchuk brothers.

 

[UkroTurk]

The Ministry of Defense announced the first results of the offensive

June 5, 2023, 18:25

Photo: OK Zahid

Ukrainian troops went forward

Troops of the Operational-Strategic Group of Forces of Khortytsya carry out offensive operations on the eastern front.





Ukrainian troops are conducting active offensive operations and have achieved some success in the vicinity of the city of Bakhmut in the Donetsk region. This was announced by Deputy Defense Minister Anna Malyar in Telegram on Monday, June 5.



According to her, today our troops of the Khortytsya Operational-Strategic Group of Forces are carrying out offensive operations on the eastern front.



"Despite the tough resistance and attempts by the enemy to hold their lines and positions, our units in the course of fighting moved forward in several directions: Orekhovo-Vasilevka, Praskovevka from 200-1600 m; Ivanovskoye, Kleshchievka from 100-700 m," Malyar wrote. and continued that the fighting is developing.



Earlier, Malyar said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched an offensive in certain directions. She also published a photo from which one can understand that the city of Bakhmut may already be surrounded by units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or designated as a priority target for the Ukrainian army.



Recall that today the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that the Armed Forces of Ukraine "launched a counteroffensive at once on five sectors of the front." In particular, we are talking about the South-Donetsk direction.



And today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced that the Russians have stepped up the spread of fakes about the alleged "offensive" of the Defense Forces.