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Americans are just doing what they always do, drag their enemies into a conflict and then make sure it lasts for as long as possible. Syria is an example of what they did to Turkiye. The way they are arming the Ukrainians i suspect they want this 3 day war to go on for at least a decade. Russians got played hard.
 

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EU does not want a democratic Ukraine to be replaced by an autocratic, anti-democratic state.

I think you're talking about the West, not just the EU. Before Ukraine, there was the Republic of Vietnam and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, both were supplied lavishly by the West, and even the West fought not only side by side, but most of the time did the heavy-lifting, yet both ended up abandoned and swallowed.
 

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Could be bad news for Ukraine if Trump is back in the office


Young voters are breaking from Biden, helping give Trump a narrow lead for the first time in NBC News polling, though the gap is within the margin of error.

Trump narrowly leads Biden for first time​

All of this is shaping a general election that’s still some 350 days away. Biden trails Donald Trump for the first time in a hypothetical head-to-head matchup in the NBC News poll, though the deficit falls well within the survey’s margin of error.

Trump gets support from 46% of registered voters, while Biden gets 44%.

In September, the two men were tied (at 46% each). And in June, Biden was narrowly ahead of Trump by 4 points (49% to 45%). While Biden’s support has changed throughout the year, albeit within the poll’s margin of error, Trump’s has barely budged.


In the current poll, Biden holds advantages over Trump among Black voters (69% to 20%), women (52% to 39%) and white voters with college degrees (51% to 40%).

Trump, meanwhile, holds the edge among white voters (53% to 39%), men (55% to 35%) and rural voters (58% to 35%).

And notably, Trump holds a slight advantage within the margin of error in the survey among voters ages 18 to 34 (46% to 42%) — a reversal from past election results and past NBC News polls. But the finding is consistent with other recent national surveys showing Trump more competitive among younger voters than he was previously, and it’s consistent with Biden’s overall struggles with this age group.
 

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A Ukrainian artilleryman with MKE 105mm rounds and an L119 105mm gun.

Guess what's his age ?

F_aESFMWUAAguGt
 

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I think you're talking about the West, not just the EU. Before Ukraine, there was the Republic of Vietnam and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, both were supplied lavishly by the West, and even the West fought not only side by side, but most of the time did the heavy-lifting, yet both ended up abandoned and swallowed.
Vietnam and Afghanistan are not on the EU's doorstep. EU is wary of a belligerent, institutionally corrupt, totalitarian state being anywhere near its borders unless it is adjacent to a NATO member. Who knows what any neo-Czar will do to boost his popularity with Russian nationalists by expanding the Russian empire by force.
 

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Vietnam and Afghanistan are not on the EU's doorstep. EU is wary of a belligerent, institutionally corrupt, totalitarian state being anywhere near its borders unless it is adjacent to a NATO member. Who knows what any neo-Czar will do to boost his popularity with Russian nationalists by expanding the Russian empire by force.
That is something we look forward to. Although to be fair, the West has been proven again and again to have no appetite for a long war.
 

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That is something we look forward to. Although to be fair, the West has been proven again and again to have no appetite for a long war.
Who is 'we' - right wing nationalists worldwide? Indonesian nationalists? Turkish nationalists?
 

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Everyone who follow the news of course
It is, to say the least, extremely presumptuous to think that all people following the news want to see Putin expand Russian control of the world. I, and certainly a few hundred million others, would take issue with your statement.
 

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It is, to say the least, extremely presumptuous to think that all people following the news want to see Putin expand Russian control of the world. I, and certainly a few hundred million others, would take issue with your statement.

People are entitled to stay updated with the news, driven by their personal aspirations for the outcome. Some want Putin to lose, some want him to win.
 

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in ruzzia there are thousand+ cases where ruzzians do not want to die for evil thug putin.

This video is one of many
A 23-year-old Muscovite (Moscow citizen) shot himself at a shooting range after receiving a summon for mobilization.
Before his death, he wrote to his friends that he did not want to go to war.
Today he was supposed to arrive at the military registration and enlistment office, but he went to private shooting area and suicide himself

 
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I think you're talking about the West, not just the EU. Before Ukraine, there was the Republic of Vietnam and the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, both were supplied lavishly by the West, and even the West fought not only side by side, but most of the time did the heavy-lifting, yet both ended up abandoned and swallowed.
The difference is Ukraine‘s location, which is in Europe, and because of that it won’t be abandoned.
 

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None of what has happened over the 2 months in Congress has meaningfully slowed down the delivery of aid to Ukraine in any way. The quantity of the items contained in each package has declined, but the delivery schedules of American weapons has not changed. For example, Ukraine received their 31 Abrams MBTs in the September timeline they were promised. They are also on track to receive GLSDB and Switchblade 600 in the "early 2024" timeline that was promised. Many of the deliveries promised to Ukraine are still in front of them. Additional Gepard systems are another example. USA purchased 60 systems from Jordan. Germany is upgrading them as fast as they can. Ukraine will have 30 of the 60 new systems by the winter, and an additional 30 systems throughout 2024.

Meanwhile, while NEWLY promised aid to Ukraine from USA 🇺🇸 has dipped temporarily while a new spending bill is sorted out in Congress, other countries have stepped in temporarily help to fill the void for big ticket items. Some recent examples include Germany 🇩🇪 sending an additional Patriot Battery to Ukraine (bringing their total to 3), Denmark 🇩🇰 and Germany 🇩🇪 sending (in progress) close to 200 Leopard 1 MBTs to Ukraine, and Denmark 🇩🇰 also sending Additional T-72 MBTs and BMP-2 IFVs (via Czech Republic 🇨🇿). We also learned that in September, Finland 🇫🇮 shipped 100+ howitzers to Ukraine, along with the ammunition to support them. Italy 🇮🇹 also shipped more military aid recently, but in typical fashion, did not disclose what they sent. Possibly most important, Norway 🇳🇴 , Belgium 🇧🇪 and the Netherlands 🇳🇱 are going to ship dozens of F-16s to Ukraine and are playing a huge role in training Ukrainian pilots as we speak.

This silly notion that aid for Ukraine has stopped or drastically slowed down, is patently false. They continue to receive all types of ammo resupply from the Americans via aid packages, while Europe has taken over of late in delivering some of the pricier, big ticket items, until more American spending is approved by Congress and countries like Germany 🇩🇪 and Britain 🇬🇧 get into 2024, where they'll have fresh budgets for war spending to aid Ukraine.

USA 🇺🇸 has roughly $5 billion usd worth of Presidential Drawdown Authority that they can take from and about $1.1 Billion usd worth of money to resupply from inventories they ship. That's enough money to keep resupplying Ukraine with ammunition, missiles, explosives, ordinance, artillery shells, etc, etc into February. The new funding bill will be passed well before then and will consist of approximately $60 billion usd worth of drawdown authority, USAI and macro financial funding.
Aid to Ukraine from the US has absolutely slowed down. This is observable both in the size of packages, and in the messaging from Ukrainian officials in public and private. Delivery schedules for aid that has already been allotted and paid for is unchanged. The total size of military packages in the last two months has drastically decreased, which is why I posted the breakdown by month in my previous post. I know you are pro-Ukrainian, but the situation has to be judged objectively rather than optimistically.
 

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Aid to Ukraine from the US has absolutely slowed down. This is observable both in the size of packages, and in the messaging from Ukrainian officials in public and private. Delivery schedules for aid that has already been allotted and paid for is unchanged. The total size of military packages in the last two months has drastically decreased, which is why I posted the breakdown by month in my previous post. I know you are pro-Ukrainian, but the situation has to be judged objectively rather than optimistically.
"Slowed down" is not the context you presented in your post. You said "minimal" which is not true and doesn't properly represent what's been happening. It also doesn't account for the fact that many European countries have been stepping up, both quietly and overtly over the last few months, to fill the gap in the wake of the USA's temporary slowdown. It's irrelevant where / who the supplies come from, as long as Ukraine gets them.

A mistake that a lot of people are making is focusing solely on artillery shells when referencing the slow down of supplies. In the same time frame Ukraine has received new technologies such as ATAM rockets and a variety of new drones, in bulk quantities that they did not possess before. While 155mm artillery ammunition is important, the most destructive weapon Ukraine deploys to defeat Russian armor is simple FPV drones. They are accounting for far more kills than artillery ammunition. GMLRS for HIMARS has also been vitally important for Ukraine in their ability to accurately strike targets at intermediate range. Ukraine is not lacking GMLRS as far as we know. Simultaneously, Ukraine's air defense has been bolstered over the last few months at greater rate than at any other point in the war. Between the arrival of German made IRIS-T SLM and SLS systems, the scheduled arrival of American purchased, Jordanian Gepard AA units and up to 60 American rigged "FrankenSAM" systems, Ukraine's air defense has been bolstered significantly ahead of the winter months... The influx of armor hasn't slowed either. T-72 MBTs are still arriving from the Czech Republic at the same pace as they have throughout the conflict. Nearly 200 Leaopard 1 MBTs have been committed over the last couple months, along with BMP-2 IFVs, Marder IFVs, and additional T-72 MBTs from Germany and Denmark. A trio of countries have freed up dozens of F-16s and pilots are training in USA, Romania and multiple locations across Europe... Even the artillery situation isn't as bad as it seems due to deliveries that were not published loudly, but were disclosed in quiet fashion. It appears that Finland quietly shipped 100'ish 130mm howitzers to Ukraine and a significant quantity of artillery shells to go with them.

People are so focused on a couple resources in the war, but we have to see the whole picture. Of course Zelensky and company are going to harp on the deteriorating supply of artillery shells. It's their job to advocate for everything they can get. They're going to spend far more time complaining about what they don't have than they are focused on how much they've received in other areas recently. Why? Because that's politics. The fastest way to get something done is to present something as a crisis and in need of fixing.

If you're point is simply that USA military aid has slowed temporarily while waiting for a new bill, that's fine. We agree. But that's not how you presented it, and contextually, it leaves out the fact that Europe has stepped in to provide A LOT in this "down period" for the USA.
 

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Substantial new military aid package from Germany 🇩🇪announced today. The package is worth 1.3 Billion Euros and includes some significant items. Here is what we know so far...

- 4 Additional IRIS-T SLM air defense units
- 20,000 155mm artillery shells
- 8000 DM22 anti-armor mines
- 60 Vector reconnaissance drones
- 24 Drone Detection Radars

 

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The difference is Ukraine‘s location, which is in Europe, and because of that it won’t be abandoned.

Again, this is something that needs to be proven. When you look at Vietnam and Afghanistan the policy makers of the day also comes with XYZ amount of excuse why they WILL stay and fight. During Vietnam, they have this theory called the Domino theory, that necessitates the Americans to arm and even fough alongside in Vietnam.


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Domino theory presents a metaphor of falling dominoes: that a rise or fall in democracy in a country will have the same knock-on effect in neighboring countries, and so on​

Yet the horrors of the Tet Offensive, the rise of the anti-war hippie movement in back the states, and general fatigue eventually forced the U.S. to withdraw and let RVN to be fed to the commies.

We never know what will happen in Europe in the next year, 5 years, 10 etc. The dynamics change all the time and Europe has already shown fatigue and stress from not only having to supply Ukraine, having to deal with the immigrant crisis, economic uncertainty in Germany after the cut of gas flow etc. All of which could contribute to the balance of the cost-benefit calculations concerning Ukraine.

I'm neutral in regards to Ukraine-Russia, but of course, my writing will be adjusted to whom I believe has the long-term advantage of winning. And from the look of it, just like the two previous Western-backed states, Ukraine will not survive this, simply because the Western way of war is ALWAYS characterized by explosive enthusiasm at the start, and then wanes until completely surrenders near the end. This is what happened in Vietnam, what happened in Afghanistan and again likely will be repeated here
 

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The Invisible War in Ukraine Being Fought Over Radio Waves​

Using electromagnetic waves to flummox and follow smarter weapons has become a critical part of the cat-and-mouse game between Ukraine and Russia. The United States, China and others have taken note.

By Paul Mozur and Aaron Krolik
Paul Mozur reported from Kyiv, Dnipro, and Odesa, Ukraine. Aaron Krolik reported from New York.
  • Nov. 19, 2023
The drones began crashing on Ukraine’s front lines, with little explanation.
For months, the aerial vehicles supplied by Quantum Systems, a German technology firm, had worked smoothly for Ukraine’s military, swooping through the air to spot enemy tanks and troops in the country’s war against Russia. Then late last year, the machines abruptly started falling from the sky as they returned from missions.
“It was this mystery,” said Sven Kruck, a Quantum executive who received a stern letter from Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense demanding a fix.
Quantum’s engineers soon homed in on the issue: Russians were jamming the wireless signals that connected the drones to the satellites they relied on for navigation, leading the machines to lose their way and plummet to earth. To adjust, Quantum developed artificial intelligence-powered software to act as a kind of secondary pilot and added a manual option so the drones could be landed with an Xbox controller. The company also built a service center to monitor Russia’s electronic attacks.
“All we could do is get information from the operators, try to find out what wasn’t working, test and try again,” Mr. Kruck said.

A battle is raging in Ukraine in the invisible realm of electromagnetic waves, with radio signals being used to overwhelm communication links to drones and troops, locate targets and trick guided weapons. Known as electronic warfare, the tactics have turned into a cat-and-mouse game between Russia and Ukraine, quietly driving momentum swings in the 21-month old conflict and forcing engineers to adapt.
“Electronic warfare has impacted the fighting in Ukraine as much as weather and terrain,” said Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, a think tank in Washington, adding that every operation in the conflict now has to take into account enemy moves in the electromagnetic spectrum.

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The Vector fixed-wing reconnaissance drone from Quantum Systems. Remote pilots communicate with the drone using radio signals.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times

A drone built like a plane on a gray carpet, with some moody lighting in a room.

Electronic warfare has been a feature of wars for more than 100 years. During World War II, the British mimicked German radio signals to deceive targeting systems that bombers used, which Winston Churchill popularized as the “battle of the beams.” In the Cold War, the Soviet Union invested heavily in electronic weapons to gain an asymmetric advantage against the missiles and planes from the United States.

In recent decades, the use of electronic attack and defense has been more lopsided. In the Iraq war in the 2000s, the United States used gadgets called jammers to create so much radio noise that improvised explosive devices could not communicate with their remote detonators. More recently, Israel has jumbled GPS signals in its airspace with electronic warfare systems to confuse would-be attacks from drones or missiles.

The war in Ukraine is the first recent conflict between two large and relatively advanced armies to widely deploy electronic warfare abilities and evolve the techniques in real time. Once the purview of trained experts, the technologies have spread to frontline infantry troops. Ukrainian drone pilots said they constantly fine-tuned their methods to parry the invisible attacks. One day, a new radio frequency might work, some said. The next, a different antenna.

The tactics have become so critical that electronic warfare received its own section in a recent essay by Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s top military commander. “Widespread use of information technology in military affairs” would be key to breaking what has become a stalemate in the conflict with Russia, he wrote.

The techniques have turned the war into a proxy laboratory that the United States, Europe and China have followed closely for what may sway a future conflict, experts said.

Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, raised the topic of electronic warfare this year in prepared remarks for a Congressional hearing. NATO countries have expanded programs to buy and develop electronic weapons, said Thomas Withington, an electronic warfare expert at the Royal United Services Institute, a British security think tank.

“The war in Ukraine has been the performance enhancing drug for NATO’s electromagnetic thinking,” he said. “It has been the thing that concentrates minds.”
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A Ukrainian drone destroys a jamming system that targets drones hidden atop a building in Kherson Oblast during the summer of 2023.CreditCredit...Escadrone

Antennas and jammers​

As Russian tanks rolled toward Kyiv in February 2022, the Russian military initially made good on its reputation as one of the world’s best at electronic warfare. It used powerful jammers and decoy missiles to inundate Ukrainian air defenses, leaving Ukraine reliant on aircraft to fight off Russian planes.
The electronic weapons do not appear dangerous at first glance. They are typically satellite dishes or antennas that can be mounted on trucks or set up in fields or on buildings. But they then beam out electromagnetic waves to track, trick and block sensors and communication links that guide precision weapons and allow for radio communications. Just about every communications technology relies on electromagnetic signals, be it soldiers with radios, drones connecting to pilots or missiles linked to satellites.

One basic but effective tool is a jammer, which disrupts communications by sending out powerful signals at the same frequencies used by walkie-talkies or drones to cause so much disturbance that beaming a signal is impossible. Jamming is akin to blasting heavy metal in the middle of a college lecture.
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A Ukrainian drone destroys a Russian truck in the Kupiansk area in October 2023. The camouflaged vehicle, which has an antenna extended, is part of an electronic attack system that blocks and manipulates cellular phone networks.CreditCredit...Escadrone

Another key weapon sends a signal that pretends to be something it is not, like a satellite link. Called spoofing, the fake signal can convince a drone or missile it is miles off course by feeding it false coordinates. In other cases, spoofers ape the signals made by missiles or planes to trick air defense systems into detecting attacks that aren’t happening.
Other tools listen for beams of radiation and seek to locate their origin. These devices are often used to find and attack drone pilots.
After early success using these tools, the Russian military stumbled, analysts said. But as the war has stretched on, Russia has innovated by making smaller, mobile electronic weapons, like anti-drone guns and tiny jammers that form a radio-wave bubble around trenches.
“The Russians have been more nimble at responding than we would have expected from their ground behavior,” said James A. Lewis, a former U.S. official who writes on technology and security for the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “That should be worrisome for NATO.”
The Kremlin did not respond to a request for comment.

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Yurii Momot, a founder of Piranha-Tech, with an anti-drone gun that can jam the communications signals used to control small commercial drones.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times


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The anti-drone gun can send a burst of radio signals to overwhelm a drone’s communication links. Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times


Soviet versus start-up​

To combat Russia’s century of Soviet know-how in electronic attack and defense, Ukraine has turned to a start-up approach associated with Silicon Valley. The idea is to help the country’s tech workers quickly turn out electronic warfare products, test them and then send them to the battlefield.
This summer, Ukraine’s government hosted a hackathon for firms to work on ways to jam Iranian Shahed drones, which are long-range unmanned aerial vehicles that have been used to hit cities deep inside the country, said Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s digital minister.

At testing ranges outside Kyiv, drone makers pit their craft against electronic attack weapons. In a field in central Ukraine in August, Yurii Momot, 53, a former Soviet Union special forces commander and a founder of the electronic warfare firm Piranha, showed a new anti-drone gun built for the conflict.
The guns have a checkered performance in the war, but Mr. Momot’s version worked. Pointing it at a DJI Mavic, a common cheap reconnaissance drone, he pulled the trigger. The drone hovered motionless. Its navigation system had been swamped by a burst of radio signals from the gun.

“The whole system is more structured in Russia,” Mr. Momot said of Russia’s electronic warfare program, which he knows from his time with the Soviet army. “We’re catching up, but it will take a while.”
Other Ukrainian companies, such as Kvertus and Himera, are building tiny jammers or $100 walkie-talkies that can withstand Russian jamming.

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Recovered Russian military radios, standing upright, with a green radio made by Himera, a Ukrainian company that makes $100 walkie-talkies that can withstand Russian jamming.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times

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Inside some of Himera’s radios.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times



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A worker at Himera assembles a radio, which are used by some parts of the Ukrainian military.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times

At Infozahyst, one of Ukraine’s biggest electronic warfare contractors, engineers recently worked on a project to track and identify Russian air defense systems. Iaroslav Kalinin, the company’s chief executive, said Russia’s anti-aircraft radars were not as easy to replace as tanks. But if enough were eliminated, it could provide a turning point in the war.
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“Once we control the sky, then Russia fails hard,” he said.

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This summer, Oleksandr Berezhny, a Quantum executive, traveled with one of Ukraine’s top drone pilots to share what they knew about electronic warfare with NATO. At a large round table in a base in Germany, they explained the problems they faced to a rapt audience of commanders.
“We told them probably 90 percent of the American and European systems coming to Ukraine were not prepared to meet the electronic warfare challenge,” Mr. Berezhny said. “There was total understanding that something needed to change.”

As Ukraine offers a glimpse of how future electronic battles may be waged, would-be combatants of those fights have taken note. The United States and Europe have paid close attention to how such weapons have fared against Russian systems, with some worrying they are not responding fast enough. Chinese experts have also exhaustively chronicled which Russian electronic attacks were most effective against NATO systems, and in turn, where Russia failed.
In one November 2022 report, a Chinese defense think tank detailed how a Russian electronic attack had tricked NATO’s detection equipment, leading Ukraine to reveal the location of its own electronic defenses.

“The Russian army’s anti-drone combat capabilities are superior to those of the U.S. military,” the report said.

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Oleksandr Berezhny of Quantum assembled a reconnaissance drone at the company’s repair center in August. He has discussed electronic warfare with NATO military personnel.Credit...Brendan Hoffman for The New York Times

As Ukraine evolves its anti-jamming techniques, some of those tactics are flowing to the United States and its allies, said Mr. Clark of the Hudson Institute.

“Now you’re starting to see countries, including the United States, field these smaller systems, just like you’re seeing folks in Ukraine cobbling them together,” he said.

For many on Ukraine’s front, the improvements can’t come fast enough.

“Even if you make your drone invisible, your controller and your antenna give out a signal,” said one Ukrainian drone pilot, who gave only his first name, Vladislav. Russians can detect a window of about 200 square meters where a drone pilot might be, he added, noting that artillery had once come within “about 15 to 20 meters” of hitting him.

“It’s not possible to hide completely,” he said.

Olha Kotiuzhanska contributed reporting from Kyiv, Dnipro and Odesa, Ukraine.

 

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in ruzzia there are thousand+ cases where ruzzians do not want to die for evil thug putin.

This video is one of many
A 23-year-old Muscovite (Moscow citizen) shot himself at a shooting range after receiving a summon for mobilization.
Before his death, he wrote to his friends that he did not want to go to war.
Today he was supposed to arrive at the military registration and enlistment office, but he when to private shooting area and suicide himself

Feel sorry for the dude :(
The coming generations in Russia will be f*****.
 

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