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What West is doing by SWIFT sanctions is undermining its own credibility with financial system. This is setting a bad precedent. It means nobody can rely on their system because they can deny them funds when they want. This is all the more reason for China and Russia, India, Turkey, Iran to build a payment system beyond Western control, and it WILL happen!

Imagine all this outrage happened when the English and Amerikan two faces invaded Iraqi people, Afghan people, Surian people, Libyans.....it would have saved millions of lives already. The hypocrites have no honor....the English never have and never will
 

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Any reliable source to back up Bla Bla numbers?

Little note: please dont try to use russian media for source for backup-> it is just trash, toilate paper it is no real value
So far I see propaganda on both sides. You think Western tabloids running on hysteria and no common sense are better? Show me any main Western media that is showing both sides of the story...NONE! They only show 1 side of thr story all the time. They claimed Russians hacked US elections and put Donald Trump in power - how stupid. I know for a fact that Western media is filled with CIA and MI6 people, it is one of their ways behnd most mythologies and narratives like Saddam have WMD (still looking for it), Asad has chemical weapons, and all those lies. The West might be economically strong, but their culture is nothing compared to our old civilizations. They do not have any ties to the lands or the people or the history / culture of the places they plunder. They are only in it for $, no honor.
 

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In addition, if you are under such severe sanctions, even that amount of money is next to nothing.
Russians are NOT stupid. They have diversified away from the USD in the currency reserve mix. They hold a lot of reserves in Euro, Yuan and Gold now. In fact, Russia's Gold to its total forex reserves is the highest in the world. Almost 20% of their reserves is Gold. Further, Russia holds only 50% of its reserves - $300 billion - offshore. They have gone through crippling sanctions once before with the Ruble crashing massively and inflation through the roof. If Putin did not learn a lesson from that and implement safeguards, then he would a stupid nutcase and would totally deserve to lose the war and his Presidency. I dont think that's the case.

Of course denying access to Euro means Europe would have to go dark with energy supply cut off. So that's that. Nothing is simple here.
 

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Its very clear to me now that this mess in Ukraina was Western attempt to turn Ukraine into Afghanistan 2.0, and was planned well in advance. The qustion is, why is Putin falling for it? I do not know why. I always supported a much more limited operation in Ukraine to avoid big urban cities and focus on Donbas where the actual issue is and south where Azov mercenaries are.

If all the Turkiye supporters here understand, English and Amerikan support SDF in same way in Suria....to drive wedge between Turkey and Suria. It is called divide and conquer, they always use these tactics, Ukraine is a pawn in the game, like Turkey, Kurds, Polish, everyone of their so called "allies". Ukraine is to drive wedge between Europe and Russia. This is what NATO is all about. It is why it exists
 
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Russians are NOT stupid. They have diversified away from the USD in the currency reserve mix. They hold a lot of reserves in Euro, Yuan and Gold now. In fact, Russia's Gold to its total forex reserves is the highest in the world. Almost 20% of their reserves is Gold. Further, Russia holds only 50% of its reserves - $300 billion - offshore. They have gone through crippling sanctions once before with the Ruble crashing massively and inflation through the roof. If Putin did not learn a lesson from that and implement safeguards, then he would a stupid nutcase and would totally deserve to lose the war and his Presidency. I dont think that's the case.

Of course denying access to Euro means Europe would have to go dark with energy supply cut off. So that's that. Nothing is simple here.
It won't make a difference. Russian banks being locked out of SWIFT will collapse the Russian economy.
 

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It won't make a difference. Russian banks being locked out of SWIFT will collapse the Russian economy.
Remember, China and India both have trading arrangements with Russia outside of SWIFT through currency swaps and barter mechanisms. Meanwhile, half of Europe is going to go dark as Russia denies energy supplies. What is the hit to Europe's GDP, which was already hit by the pandemic? What happens to all the poor people in Europe? British Petroleum holds 20% of Rosneft. And scores of other European companies and funds hold gigantic investments in Russian companies including Gazprom, the company that laid the NordStream 2 pipeline. And many of these investments are tied to pension schemes of retired Europeans. Hello - still think all this is simple?
 

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Remember, China and India both have trading arrangements with Russia outside of SWIFT through currency swaps and barter mechanisms. Meanwhile, half of Europe is going to go dark as Russia denies energy supplies. What is the hit to Europe's GDP, which was already hit by the pandemic? What happens to all the poor people in Europe? British Petroleum holds 20% of Rosneft. And scores of other European companies and funds hold gigantic investments in Russian companies including Gazprom, the company that laid the NordStream 2 pipeline. And many of these investments are tied to pension schemes of retired Europeans. Hello - still think all this is simple?
Worth it! Humanity will stop Russian terrorism..
 

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