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If Russia tries to pass through the Turkish straits and Turkey seeks NATO support, then the US Navy's Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier can be used for combat air patrols over the Black Sea and the Dardanelles.
— US Official | CNN Int.

sorry but I didn't understand . did he mean that russia might use the straits without the permission of turkey ? is this even possible ?
 

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Russian-speaking does not mean ethnic Russians or Russian patriots. Russian propaganda tends to skip over that part.
Over simplification. There is no basis to your logic. We don’t know which way Russian speaking population is actually leaning. People say something on TV and do something else in reality. Further we cannot rely on the views of a dozen Russian speaking people interviewed by pro western TVs to make a full conclusion. There are family relationships both ways and the protests in Russia by Russians have been very limited. If Kremlin is genuine about NATO security threats to Russia, the western propaganda is going to fall flat. Putin’s claim that NATO is too close to Russia’s doorstep is a genuine concern - not a made up one. Ukraine has a lot of former Soviet secrets and technology blueprints that if falling into Western hands can pose serious security threat to Russia. What Ukraine should have done is demonstrated via a country wide referendum under international observers including pro Russian countries that the populace wants NATO there and shed its neutrality. Given the highly sensitive nature of ex-Soviet states, Ukraine should have done that - an element of trust was needed instead of demonizing Russia. If the referendum passed with 2/3rd majority, Russia could not have done anything. There are a lot of holes here and I am not sure pushing Russia into a corner (especially if they are actually right) is going to be safe for the world. Dangerous games that can lead to world war 3 here, post which the leftover humanity will be playing with sticks and stones.
 

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What I find alarming in all this is there is no debate on whether Russian security concerns are genuine or not. Demonizing Russia seems to be the only thing here. I don’t support any war but there is an urgent need to ceasefire and analyze whether Ukraine/NATO brought it upon themselves. Of course Russians are no saint and have done some ghastly stuff in other countries but in this war theater, is Russia justified or not? All parties must ceasefire and the UN must openly debate this. Else this war is going to cause heave damage to the entire world. Russia cannot be brought to its knees that easily. Looks like Putin is ok with the oligarchs losing their wealth and his own survival being at stake. That says he has some very strong motive behind his actions - to the point of being ok with taking Russia’s development backwards by decades. Maybe Putin being beholden to oligarchs is another propaganda. We shall see.
 

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Shell: We will give the oil -we bought cheaply from Russia- to Ukraine for help.
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If Russia tries to pass through the Turkish straits and Turkey seeks NATO support, then the US Navy's Harry S. Truman aircraft carrier can be used for combat air patrols over the Black Sea and the Dardanelles.
— US Official | CNN Int.
As if Turkey would need assistance for that...
This conflict once again showed that Turkey is not in a position to seek shelter but to provide security to the alliance, whether the west accepts the truth or not, they are dependant on Turkeys cooperation.

Who knows maybe without Turkish contribution the course of war could have looked differend considering Bayraktars substancial impact on it, you are once again welcome NATO, we served our booth interests be it in Syria, Libya Causasus or Ukraine.
 

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