Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Saithan]

What if the US is making the build-up in Dedeağaç as part of an emergency plan of action against Russia...
It would be very easy to sail from Bulgaria to the Black Sea.

I see what you mean, but even warships would have to wait to pass through the strait right, so flying the units would be fastest way to deploy them.

I get a feeling this scenario is being manipulated.

 

[Bogeyman]

I see what you mean, but even warships would have to wait to pass through the strait right, so flying the units would be fastest way to deploy them.

I get a feeling this scenario is being manipulated.

As long as the matter does not return to the 3rd World War, the USA cannot show a tooth against Russia by landing 2 warships in the Black Sea. There is nothing they can do at sea. On land, however, Ukraine needs massive support. Maybe the USA is afraid of the Russians coming all the way to Moldova.

 

[Huelague]

Do you remember the war in Georgia? All the weak points of Russian military were showed of.

 

[Bogeyman]

Do you remember the war in Georgia? All the weak points of Russian military were showed of.

Syria has come and gone over the Georgia war, my friend. Even the Russians cannot be so stupid as to not learn from such incidents.

 

[Gary]

As long as the matter does not return to the 3rd World War, the USA cannot show a tooth against Russia by landing 2 warships in the Black Sea. There is nothing they can do at sea.

Just one of those Arleigh Burke has at least 90 VLS.

A pair of Burkes carry more firepower than the Black Sea fleet entire surface combatants. The Russian navy is no threat to the USN.

 

[Bogeyman]

Just one of those Arleigh Burke has at least 90 VLS.

A pair of Burkes carry more firepower than the Black Sea fleet entire surface combatants. The Russian navy is no threat to the USN.

It is enough for a single Russian submarine to fire 2 heavy torpedoes to sink 2 ships. Moreover, you cannot hunt submarines in the Russians' own house with MPA's. Even if there are DSH ships, it is not enough. If there is no submarine, the US Navy will hunt like partridges in the Black Sea.

 

[Turko]

Ukrainian Armed Forces announced readiness for any development of the security situation




The Ukrainian army has passed a difficult path of its development, it was forced to change by the war. This was stated by the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny, the press service of the Ministry of Defense reported on Monday, December 6.

Zaluzhny stressed that today the Armed Forces of Ukraine are one of the leading armies in the world.

Привітання Головнокомандувача ЗС України з Днем Збройних Сил України

www.mil.gov.ua

Dear brothers and sisters! Dear veterans!

For thirty years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have come a long way. And the war forced us to change. We have restrained the enemy's offensive and are reliably defending the state. Moreover, we are ready for any options for the development of the security situation. We are trusted and they believe in us. This is what gives strength to bring Victory closer.

Today, the Armed Forces of Ukraine is one of the world's leading armies, as we have been fighting for eight years. The combat experience and courage of Ukrainian soldiers are also highly valued by our partners. And our future is in NATO.

We will forever remember our fallen brothers and sisters. It is our responsibility to continue to fight for ourselves and for them.

Thank you to everyone who chose to serve their people in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Thank you to your family and friends for accepting your choice and supporting you.

On the Day of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, I wish you resilience, confidence and faith! Together to victory!

Glory to the Armed Forces of Ukraine!

Glory to Ukraine!

The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Lieutenant General Valery Zaluzhny

 

[Saithan]

In case of Donbas erupting. Which is likely what Russia will start with instead of driving over the border with their regiments.

Any guesses or analysis on how Ukraine is going to counter ? The militia has already dug in and likely created a lot of traps and such with explosive (e.g. Libya).

Would Ukraine have any chance of retaking areas in Donbas without losing territory ?

 

[Agha Sher]

In case of Donbas erupting. Which is likely what Russia will start with instead of driving over the border with their regiments.

Any guesses or analysis on how Ukraine is going to counter ? The militia has already dug in and likely created a lot of traps and such with explosive (e.g. Libya).

Would Ukraine have any chance of retaking areas in Donbas without losing territory ?

In case of escalation, Russia will start with flattening Ukrainian defense positions with MLRS. Their firepower will be overwhelming and lead to the collapse of several fronts. Thereafter, Russian armor will make the push. Ukraine's survival depends on what US and the UK do.

 

[Gary]

In case of Donbas erupting. Which is likely what Russia will start with instead of driving over the border with their regiments.

Any guesses or analysis on how Ukraine is going to counter ? The militia has already dug in and likely created a lot of traps and such with explosive (e.g. Libya).

Would Ukraine have any chance of retaking areas in Donbas without losing territory ?

I don't think Russian logistic is enough to sustain an offensive all over the country. Here's an interesting study

Russian forces might reach early objectives, but logistics would impose requirements for operational pauses. As a result, a large land grab is unrealistic as a fait accompli. The Russian army has the combat power to capture the objectives envisioned in a fait accompli scenario, but it does not have the logistic forces to do it in a single push without a logistical pause to reset its sustainment infrastructure.

Feeding the Bear: A Closer Look at Russian Army Logistics and the Fait Accompli - War on the Rocks

Editor's note: Don't miss our comprehensive guide to Russia's war against Ukraine. Russia’s military buildup along the border with Ukraine has

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Personally I think Ukraine must at least turn frontline cities like Kharkiv into a fortress. In an open battlefield, Russia's military could steamroll and encircle the thinly spread Ukrainian unit. A rout of entire armies are possible due to Russia's superiority in numbers, technology and firepower. Hence it would be better if the Ukrainians preserve their forces protecting key cities and absorb the initial push in those city.

Urban environment extremely favors the defender whist making it substantially harder for the invader. Stalingrad, Grozny ,Kobane, Mosul and Raqqa had all proven how hard it is for an advancing army to capture a relatively insubstantially defended built up areas.

for me I think Ukraine must hold those cities long enough and hope for a NATO intervention. off course this would mean rising civilian casualties in those particular cities and its surrounding.

 

[Turko]

have any chance of retaking

Ukraine absolutely doesn't want it. The first aim is securing current territory and borders so Ukraine never will attack on DonBass either Crimea.

 

[Gary]

For starters, I don't think the Russians will advance from Belarus. Most likely their presence there are feint. The most likely vector of attack is from the East via Donbass, Kharkiv and naval landings in Odessa. 100+ BTG totaling 175K men are no joke, this is not an army for more land grab, more like an all out invasion.

Exempt any NATO involvement, an open battle could result in catastrophe for the Ukrainians as Russian air superiority all over Ukraine are almost guaranteed. Large moving army columns could be annihilated even before they make contacts with the enemy, so does logistics to sustain the frontline.

Ukraine options against Russian threat are limited, but it could build strongpoints all around a designated fortress city (kinda like WW2 Germany Festungstadt) to function as breakwater. Bridges could be demolished, roads mined, dams released to create flood at some particular area to stall any advances long enough. Infantries could be spread in a small team operating behind enemy lines while employing an economy of force effort that bolstered small numbers of infantry like ATGM.

If Ukraine could stall the offensive into a standstill, they could prepare a limited counter attack at Russian lines of communications, sabotage supply depot etc, all while rallying international support. Russia's ability to sustain operation beyond its borders are quite limited and manpower + equipment intensive. The strategy should revolve around the idea to stall offensive first and once it is achieved start a war of attrition to the point that it is no longer acceptable for the Russian public to accept more losses.

 

[Turko]

Zelensky visited frontline positions in the JFO zone

У День Збройних Сил України Глава держави відвідав передові позиції українських військових на Донбасі — Офіційне інтернет-представництво Президента України

Під час робочої поїздки до Донецької області Президент Володимир Зеленський побував на передових позиціях української армії в зоні проведення Операції об’єднаних сил і привітав військових з Днем Збройних Сил України. Глава держави поспілкувався з військовослужбовцями та вручив їм цінні подарунки.

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Zelensky congratulated the military on the Day of the Ukrainian Armed Forces
The head of state got acquainted with the operational situation in Donbass and examined the command post of one of the brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy visited the forward positions of the Ukrainian military in the zone of the Joint Forces operation in Donbass. This was reported by the press service of the head of state on Monday, December 6.

It is indicated that the President congratulated the military on the Day of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He talked to the servicemen and gave them valuable gifts. In addition, state awards were presented to five servicemen.

"I have the honor to be with you today. Thank you for protecting

 

[Bogeyman]

Ukraine’s defence minister urges military support from Canada, U.S. and Britain - even if it’s outside NATO​

Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov, left, speaks during a meeting with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, at the Pentagon.




Canada, the United States and Britain should jointly and swiftly provide military support to Ukraine in its standoff with Russia, Ukraine’s defence minister said in an interview, warning that steps to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from invading were necessary now because “it will be too late after.”


Oleksii Reznikov said he detected a split within the NATO military alliance over how far to go in supporting Ukraine. Canada, the U.S., and Britain were more willing to challenge Mr. Putin’s aggressive behaviour, he said, while countries like Germany and France were hesitant because they were concerned about maintaining their economic relationships with Russia.


Mr. Reznikov, who was appointed defence minister last month by President Volodymyr Zelensky, called on “the Anglo-Saxon allies” to act outside the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, if necessary, in providing weapons and other support to Ukraine’s military.

He said Ukraine’s land forces were battle-ready, but that the country needed to immediately upgrade its air defence, naval, and electronic warfare capabilities in the face of the threat posed by the massive Russian military force amassed near Ukraine’s borders.
Ukraine, he said, needed a “quick response” from its allies that would help it address a lack of anti-aircraft missiles, modern warplanes and naval craft, as well as electronic jamming equipment. But just as important, he said, would be Canadian, U.S. and British soldiers visibly deployed to positions near the frontline.





“You have a training program with us in Ukraine. I think we can expand it. Instead of having 50 [military] instructors, send 500 instructors,” he said, referring to the 200-soldier Canadian training mission already deployed to the country. Operation Unifier, as it’s known, is headquartered in Yavoriv, in the far west of Ukraine, more than 1,000 kilometres from the Russian border.

Those troops should be deployed to places where Russia can see them, Mr. Reznikov said. “It would be nice if the Canadian instructors … would be deployed in Kharkiv, Mariupol, Kramatorsk, Odessa, and Zminiy Island,” he said, naming locations in eastern and southern Ukraine that could rapidly become frontline positions in the event of a large-scale Russian assault.

“Together with United Kingdom guys, with United States guys, in bilateral platforms, without NATO. Three flags – the flag of Canada, the flag of United States and the flag of U.K. – should be flying around these territories. It would also be a good sign for the Russians – that you are here.”

The military support should be delivered in tandem with new economic sanctions targeting the personal assets of Mr. Putin and his inner circle, Mr. Reznikov said. On Friday, U.S. President Joe Biden said he was putting together a package of unspecified measures that would “make it very, very difficult for Mr. Putin to go ahead and do what people are worried he’s going to do.” Mr. Biden and Mr. Putin are expected to discuss the Ukraine crisis in a Tuesday phone call.

Mr. Reznikov’s public request for Canada, the U.S. and Britain to support Ukraine outside of NATO comes two days after he had a one-on-one meeting with Canada’s Chief of Defense Staff General Wayne Eyre, who visited Kyiv this week. Mr. Reznikov said he also had a call with

Ukraine’s Defence Minister urges military support from Canada, U.S. and Britain - even if it’s outside NATO

Reznikov tells The Globe a ‘quick response’ is necessary to deter Russia’s Putin from invading because ‘it will be too late after’

www.theglobeandmail.com

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1467910901059706884

 

[Turko]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1467910901059706884

"Canada has no plans to send additional troops to Ukraine amid its escalating border crisis with Russia, as the head of the Canadian military acknowledged worries that an expanded NATO presence in Ukraine could provoke, rather than deter, Russian President Vladimir Putin"

‘Diplomacy has to lead’ in Ukraine crisis, Chief of Defence Staff says

Chief of Defence Staff Wayne Eyre said during a Thursday visit to Kyiv that he was concerned that any new military backing for Ukraine could inflame the situation

www.theglobeandmail.com

On the other hand

Biden readying sanctions against Putin's inner circle ahead of this week's key call | CNN Politics

US officials are currently weighing a wide set of sanctions on Russia meant to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from launching an invasion into Ukraine, according to people familiar with the discussions.

www.cnn.com

 

[Saithan]

Ukraine is fucked. Everything points towards a losing hand. Unless EU builds 1000 nuclear power plants and gain independence in energy.

Turkey’s TB2 and a lot of them will most likely be best deterrent. I hope we’ll see Akinci hunt in the skies of Ukraine. With swarm capabilities and 100 harop type airborne missiles. Many doctrins of war will be changed.

 

[Anastasius]

"Canada has no plans to send additional troops to Ukraine amid its escalating border crisis with Russia, as the head of the Canadian military acknowledged worries that an expanded NATO presence in Ukraine could provoke, rather than deter, Russian President Vladimir Putin"

‘Diplomacy has to lead’ in Ukraine crisis, Chief of Defence Staff says

Chief of Defence Staff Wayne Eyre said during a Thursday visit to Kyiv that he was concerned that any new military backing for Ukraine could inflame the situation

www.theglobeandmail.com

On the other hand

Biden readying sanctions against Putin's inner circle ahead of this week's key call | CNN Politics

US officials are currently weighing a wide set of sanctions on Russia meant to deter Russian President Vladimir Putin from launching an invasion into Ukraine, according to people familiar with the discussions.

www.cnn.com

As expected.

 

[Turko]

Байден поговорит с Зеленским после Путина - МИД

Глава украинской дипломатии считает, что президент России услышит четкие сигналы от Байдена .

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US President Joe Biden, after a conversation with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, will talk with the head of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, he will not do this earlier. This was announced on Monday, December 6, by Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba on the air "Freedom of speech" on ICTV.

Двери НАТО открыты - Госдеп

Вашингтон считает верной политику открытых дверей в рамках Североатлантического Альянса.

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US reaffirms NATO's open door commitment
Washington believes that the "open door" policy within the framework of the North Atlantic Alliance is correct.
United States State Department spokesman Ned Price said that Washington believes the "open door" policy within NATO is correct, since countries have the right to self-determine their foreign policy. Interfax-Ukraine writes about this on Monday, December 6.

“We, like previous administrations, have made it clear that NATO's door is open. And we are committed to an open door policy,” Price said, commenting on former US Secretary of State James Baker's words that NATO will not expand eastward.

In this context, the press secretary of the State Department pointed out that, in particular, Ukraine has "the right to independently choose the course of its foreign policy."

He also noted that NATO is a defense alliance, "defensive in nature and orientation."

Пентагон контактирует с союзниками из-за России

В оборонном ведомстве Соединенных Штатов обеспокоены ситуацией на границе Украины и России.

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The United States defense department is concerned about the situation on the border between Ukraine and Russia.

The American side is actively in contact with allies about the presence of Russian troops near Ukraine, but each country will decide independently how to react in the event of an escalation of the conflict between Moscow and Kiev. Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said this on Monday, December 6, Interfax-Ukraine writes.

“We are consulting with our allies and partners, especially NATO allies,” he said at a briefing.

At the same time, he stressed that these are sovereign countries and they must independently decide to what extent to react to this conflict.

“We still believe there is room for a diplomatic solution,” he added, referring to the differences between Moscow and Kiev.

Великобритания намерена не допустить вторжения РФ в Украину - Джонсон

Европейские политики подчеркнули необходимость обеспечить единый фронт перед лицом российских угроз и агрессии.

korrespondent.net

Great Britain intends to prevent Russian invasion of Ukraine - Johnson




European politicians "stressed the need to ensure a united front in the face" of Russian threats and aggression.
The leaders of Britain, the United States, France, Germany and Italy discussed the situation around Ukraine in a telephone conversation on Monday. London called on to support all the integrity of Ukraine. This on Monday, December 6, is stated in

На Донбассе усилились обстрелы

В понедельник противник пять раз обстреливал украинские позиции, причем дважды - с применением запрещенного вооружения.

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Shelling intensified in Donbass
7 December 2021
In Donbass, five attacks per day

On Monday, the enemy fired at Ukrainian positions five times, and twice - with the use of prohibited weapons.
Over the past day, separatists in the Donbas have opened fire on Ukrainian positions five times, without losses. Since the beginning of the current day, no shelling has been recorded. This was announced on Tuesday, December 7, at the press center of the JFO headquarters.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1468234005438947330

 

[Turko]

Russian Army is deliberately moving tanks across country in order to avoid being calculated.

Especially at Ukraine border Russian troops are moving back and forward.