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Once the neutrality issue is resolved, the more complex hurdle for Russia in the negotiations will be withdrawal from Ukrainian territory. Withdrawing to pre-February 24 lines will result in Wikipedia and history books concluding that Russia lost a major war against Ukraine. Withdrawing from all of Ukraine's internationally-recognised borders even more embarrassing.
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"Ukraine rejects Russia proposal that it adopt neutral status like Austria, Sweden"
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Ukraine rejects Russia proposal that it adopt neutral status like Austria, Sweden
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You guys think very low of Putin. He is not Biden who gives Airlift to 'anyone' and lands the plane on Mexico.
Putin had become senile and forgot if the Ukraine is not at Georgia level
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Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh to Muslim.
Good day to Others.
Good day to Others.
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It's funny though to note the inability of the "world's second most powerful army" to conduct night operations,most of their offensives are made the day. Majority of their soldiers and confirmed by the gear Ukrainian soldiers capture aren't equipped with NVGs nor other night vision equipments.
Ukrainians,supplied with night vision equipments by western countries are benfiting of this loophole and conducting attacks/counter offensives/ambushes at night.
Ukrainians,supplied with night vision equipments by western countries are benfiting of this loophole and conducting attacks/counter offensives/ambushes at night.
The Russian occupation of Georgia starts the 3rd Karabakh war.
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Rusya'dan Ukrayna’da Avusturya ve İsveç modeli önerisi
Rusya’nın üç hafta önce başlattığı Ukrayna işgalinde saldırı ve çatışmalar sürerken, bir yandan da diplomatik çözüm çabaları devam ediyor. Kremlin, ateşkes için Ukrayna’nın tarafsızlığıyla ilgili garantiler beklediğini belirtti.
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Austria was left alone and invading Soviet troops left Austria on premise of they would not join any pacts or military partnerships with other countries.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin assured Wednesday that his military operation in Ukraine was a "success", saying that Moscow would not let this country become a "beachhead" for "aggressive actions" against Russia.
“The operation is taking place successfully, in strict accordance with the pre-established plans”, declared Vladimir Putin according to remarks broadcast on television, assuring once again that he does not intend to “occupy” Ukraine.
“The operation is taking place successfully, in strict accordance with the pre-established plans”, declared Vladimir Putin according to remarks broadcast on television, assuring once again that he does not intend to “occupy” Ukraine.
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Methinks he is doing a bangup job of dismembering russia(ns) all by himself...
In other news, Sergei Lavrov has announced that all russian soldiers are now equipped with personal jetpacks... Invisible personal jetpacks..
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And people here saying oooooooooooooooo NO 80 heli lost from ruski is to much It can NOT be should be False
Now what happend IN ONE PLACE ruski lost 30 helicopters confirmed and there are more heli there which at moment remain unverified are there are more heli become useless
Greate job Ukraine caught ruski heli on ground at one place and Shell them with Arty
The warship that Ukraine claims to have sunk by artillery rocket fire is docking at Sevastopol Port.
Ukraine and Russia draw up neutrality plan to end war
Ukraine and Russia have made significant progress on a tentative 15-point peace plan including a ceasefire and Russian withdrawal if Kyiv declares neutrality and accepts limits on its armed forces, according to three people involved in the talks.
The proposed deal, which Ukrainian and Russian negotiators discussed in full for the first time on Monday, would involve Kyiv renouncing its ambitions to join Nato and promising not to host foreign military bases or weaponry in exchange for protection from allies such as the US, UK and Turkey, the people said.
The nature of western guarantees for Ukrainian security — and their acceptability to Moscow — could yet prove to be a big obstacle to any deal, as could the status of Ukrainian territories seized by Russia and its proxies in 2014. A 1994 agreement underpinning Ukrainian security failed to prevent Russian aggression against its neighbour. Although Moscow and Kyiv both said on Wednesday that they had made progress on the terms of a deal, Ukrainian officials remain sceptical Russian President Vladimir Putin is fully committed to peace and worry that Moscow could be buying time to regroup its forces and resume its offensive.
Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, told the Financial Times that any deal would involve “the troops of the Russian Federation in any case leaving the territory of Ukraine” captured since the invasion began on February 24 — namely southern regions along the Azov and Black Seas, as well as territory to the east and north of Kyiv. Ukraine would maintain its armed forces but would be obliged to stay outside military alliances such as Nato and refrain from hosting foreign military bases on its territory. Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday that neutrality for Ukraine based on the status of Austria or Sweden was a possibility. “This option is really being discussed now, and is one that can be considered neutral,” said Peskov. Sergei Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, said that “absolutely specific wordings” were “close to being agreed” in the negotiations.
Despite the progress in peace talks, Ukrainian cities came under heavy shelling for a third consecutive night while Kyiv said it was launching a counter-offensive against Russian invaders. In a virtual address to members of Congress on Wednesday, Zelensky pleaded for the US to enforce a no-fly zone or provide fighter jets or other means to fend off Russia’s attack on his country, and impose harsher economic sanctions on Moscow. In a dramatic appeal, Zelensky said Ukraine needed America’s support after Russia had launched a “brutal offensive against our values”. He called on Americans to remember the attacks on Pearl Harbor and of September 2001 and showed a searing video of the missile attacks and shelling destroying Ukrainian cities. Though Ukraine’s constitution commits it to seeking membership of Nato, Zelensky and his aides have increasingly played down Ukraine’s chances of joining the transatlantic military alliance, a prospect that Russia sees as a provocation. “There is no effective system of European security now, which would be moderated by Nato. As soon as a serious war began in Europe, Nato quickly stepped aside,” Podolyak said.
“We propose a ‘Ukrainian model of security guarantees,’ which implies the immediate and legally verified participation of a number of guarantor countries in the conflict on the side of Ukraine, if someone again encroaches on its territorial integrity,” he added. Ukraine, Podolyak added, would as part of any deal “definitely retain its own army”. He also played down the significance of a ban on foreign bases in Ukraine, saying that was already precluded by Ukrainian law. Two of the people said the putative deal also included provisions on enshrining rights for the Russian language in Ukraine, where it is widely spoken though Ukrainian is the only official language. Russia has framed its invasion as an attempt to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine from what it claims is “genocide” by “neo-Nazis”. Podolyak said “humanitarian issues, including language issues, are discussed only through the prism of Ukraine’s exclusive interests”. The biggest sticking point remains Russia’s demand that Ukraine recognise its 2014 annexation of Crimea and the independence of two separatist statelets in the eastern Donbas border region. Ukraine has so far refused but is willing to compartmentalise the issue, Podolyak said. “Disputed and conflict territories [are] in a separate case. So far, we are talking about a guaranteed withdrawal from the territories that have been occupied since the start of the military operation on February 24,” when Russia’s invasion began, he said.
Ukraine and Russia explore neutrality plan in peace talks
Fifteen-point draft deal would involve Kyiv renouncing Nato ambitions in return for security guarantees
Turkey, together with the UK and the USA, is preparing to become one of the countries that will be the guarantor of Ukraine's future. Thus, the members of the Minsk group, the Germans and the French, will be excluded at the table.
