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Blackbeardsgoldfish said:
Are you just going to leave this completely out of context, as if the previous 4 years had never happened?
The crimes committed by the germans were manifold worse than what the russians did in retaliation, and this is not debatable.


Without german help and diplomacy, the ottoman empire would have been split into a collection of colonies long before WW1. They were in no position to resist an advanced and capable european army of the day, and their territories would have been stripped away one by one.
It was german assistance that kept the empire going for as long as it did. The fact that germany did not desire colonies in the middle east and Mediterranean, and that Germany became a vital industrial and military partner were what kept the empire functioning.


And they had plans to invade Spain, the UK, Switzerland, Sweden and probably a bunch of other nations. That Turkey was part of that list is nothing special or remarkable.

Turkey joined WW2, right at the end. To get some spoils, and to formally ally with the UK and US, as the soviets were conquering the balkans and not about to go away willy nilly.

Turkey supported the german war effort with enormous amounts of vital chromite resources for the german war industry, from 41 to 44, and they signed a non-aggression pact for ten years 3 days before operation barbarossa began. Don't forget that Turkey profited of the suffering of the soviet people under the german yoke.

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I had to clear a few things up. But this thread is about the Ukraine-Russia War, so let's STAY ON TOPIC.
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Ottomans would had fragmented without your help? Well you haven't been an allie for long enough to test that theory, so it is only theory. As of Germans being worse then Russians we'll, no . Let's not go to how Turkey profited from the hardship of Soviet people, reserve that epithet for the Germans and primarily to the Russians. Yes and yes Hitler beat Stalin to the punch, so even for Barbarosa we can't blame Germans entirely
 
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One can hope that the news about Poland buying 250 U.S. battle tanks, will enable them to send, at least, 100 of their T-72s to Ukraine. They're certainly not new tanks, but they would go a long way towards filling in the gaps with regards to some of the losses they've suffered to their own T-64's.

British 155mm artilery and anti-ship weapons. Polish and Slovakian T-72 tanks. Australian Bushwacker armored fighting vehicles. Czech BMP-1. American MRAPS, Humvees, Switchblade 300 and 600 drones.

Sent it all. Ukraine needs all the help they can get. They have plenty of manpower. What they lack is the weapon systems to adequately equip themselves. I'd like to see millions more rounds of standard ammunition be pumped into the country, as well as another batch of 5000 AT4 rockets, Javelins and NLAWs.
 
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Little bit about pathetic condition of Russian air force.

Their helicopters are firing unguided rockets upwards. This tactics greatly increases range what helps to avoid MANPADS, but has nearly zero accuracy and effect.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504209795926089730

In other words expensive machine which costs tens of millions of $ is used as cheap rocket launcher:

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Even Russian propaganda video shows how they fire unguided rockets upwards:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509425259073572869

They could not find guided missile launch even for propaganda.

And this Mi-28 was shot down despite firing upwards:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1509868978579165215

Russian jets are not better. They lack targeting pods and cant use guided bombs. Even most advanced Russian bomber Su-34 is firing unguided rockets:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1508767874491551744

Description is wrong. Its Su-34 not Su-25.

No wonder that Russian air force is so ineffective and suffers large losses. They are compensating it by using large number of cruise and ballistic missiles. But these missiles are very expensive and cant be used against mobile targets and CAS.
 
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Relic said:
One can hope that the news about Poland buying 250 U.S. battle tanks, will enable them to send, at least, 100 of their T-72s to Ukraine. They're certainly not new tanks, but they would go a long way towards filling in the gaps with regards to some of the losses they've suffered to their own T-64's.

British 155mm artilery and anti-ship weapons. Polish and Slovakian T-72 tanks. Australian Bushwacker armored fighting vehicles. Czech BMP-1. American MRAPS, Humvees, Switchblade 300 and 600 drones.

Sent it all. Ukraine needs all the help they can get. They have plenty of manpower. What they lack is the weapon systems to adequately equip themselves. I'd like to see millions more rounds of standard ammunition be pumped into the country, as well as another batch of 5000 AT4 rockets, Javelins and NLAWs.
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The problem is that our T72s are really old and propably not many of them are still operational. Yes we should send it but it wouldnt be any gamechanger.
 
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Huelague said:
Raping and killing innocent civilists and prisoners of war is a crime. Even in this period.
Btw, Stalin has had plans to invade Germany also, Germany was just faster.
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in the end germany was first that matters.. and I really dont care about germans and what happned to them..
 
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MaciekRS said:
The problem is that our T72s are really old and propably not many of them are still operational. Yes we should send it but it wouldnt be any gamechanger.
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Well yes, they are should be sent, as for game changer or not those tanks would be used as workhorse units to replace their attrition rates as the Ukraine T64 is even much older than your T72
 
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