Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Kathirz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520734072418545664

 

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...the US, NATO countries could inflict critical, ''just as much'' damage with conventional smart weapons, if the Russians used tactical nukes ...they wouldn't have to retaliate with a nuke
..we have to ask the question: what would be Russia's objective in using a ''single'' nuke in the Ukraine? to scare the West?
....would it be a full scale nuke war? or would it be contained to a single or few nukes exchanged?

No question, personally I don't believe that NATO would escalate into nuclear exchanges if russia was to use a tac-nuke on Ukrainian soil against Ukrainian targets. The situation would obviously be different if they used a nuke against a NATO country. The stakes for a symmetrical escalation would be way way too high, especially since NATO lack any tactical nuclear options. Any retaliation would have to be on Ukrainian soil as well I think, rather than a direct nuclear attack on russia. So the response would only serve to make a good chunk of the east uninhabitable.
Now you could do what the west traditionally does, launch a barrage of tomahawks at select locations such as command and control bunkers or depots to match the level of destruction, but it would have to be a *very* careful high wire act as to not drag NATO into a war it obviously doesn't want to fight (with good reason).

The purpose of a nuke would not be to scare NATO, it would be to shatter Ukrainian morale and resistance, somewhat like the bombs over japan. The Russians are fighting on Ukrainian soil after all, and showing that you are willing to sow the ground with salt, in a way that can't be countered by the Ukrainian forces would be devastating. Aside from taking out a big chunk of the army.

 

[GoatsMilk]

No question, personally I don't believe that NATO would escalate into nuclear exchanges if russia was to use a tac-nuke on Ukrainian soil against Ukrainian targets. The situation would obviously be different if they used a nuke against a NATO country. The stakes for a symmetrical escalation would be way way too high, especially since NATO lack any tactical nuclear options. Any retaliation would have to be on Ukrainian soil as well I think, rather than a direct nuclear attack on russia. So the response would only serve to make a good chunk of the east uninhabitable.
Now you could do what the west traditionally does, launch a barrage of tomahawks at select locations such as command and control bunkers or depots to match the level of destruction, but it would have to be a *very* careful high wire act as to not drag NATO into a war it obviously doesn't want to fight (with good reason).

The purpose of a nuke would not be to scare NATO, it would be to shatter Ukrainian morale and resistance, somewhat like the bombs over japan. The Russians are fighting on Ukrainian soil after all, and showing that you are willing to sow the ground with salt, in a way that can't be countered by the Ukrainian forces would be devastating. Aside from taking out a big chunk of the army.

If Russia were to use just one tactical nuke on Ukraine, countless nations of the world would rush to get nuclear weapons. For example the Russians have on several occasions threatened to nuke Turkey, they threatened to nuke Azerbaijan recently, they have threatened to invade various other central Asian Turkic states. This nuclear talk so far is perceived as no more then a dog barking, however if they did use one in Ukraine. It then becomes imperative for a nation like Turkey to have her own nuclear arsenal. Irrespective of how western nations would threaten Turkey not to get them, the risk of Russia nuking Istanbul or Ankara means Turks would have no choice.

Just like invading Ukraine caused many nations to rush to join NATO and to rearm, one tactical nuke will cause many nations to go nuclear.

So their big strategic advantage, is the threat of using nukes. But the moment they use one, they will within a decade have lost that advantage against the nations she threatens. Because no one knowing there is a serious chance they could be nuked, will not look to level the playing field.

 

[UkroTurk]

Explosions in the Belgorod region!



The cause of the smoke outside Belgorod is reportedly the explosion of an ammunition depot in Tomarovka, Belgorod Region

Труха⚡️Україна

Взрывы в Белгородской области! У людей трясутся руки, говорят «война началась». 67-й день как началась… ТРУХА⚡️Украина | Прислать новость

t.me

❗️Putin has declared a state of emergency in the Belgorod region

❗️Less than an hour before the appearance of a column of smoke near Belgorod, helicopters were circling over the city, Russian media write

Telegram

t.me

Труха⚡️Україна

У белгородцев продолжают трястись руки. Взрыв в области прокомментировал местный губернатор. Вячеслав Гладков заявил, что на границе трех муниципалитетов – Борисовского и Белгородского районов и Яковлевского городского округа – произошел пожар на территории объекта Министерства обороны РФ. О...

t.me

A railway bridge collapsed in the Kursk region of the Russian Federation.

“Partial collapse of the bridge structures was discovered. Now special services are working on the spot to establish the causes of the emergency. The railway line was used for the movement of freight trains. - said the governor of the Kursk region.

Magnetic storms, not otherwise

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520770944498864129

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520723092774998016

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520770944498864129

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520723092774998016

The hell? Only injured? Why didnt they kill him in one strike and end it

 

[Ryder]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520734072418545664

If a TB2 has done this I take back my words.

 

[Madokafc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520770944498864129

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520723092774998016

Better if he is succumbed to his wound later

 

[Ecderha]

N-LAW ATGM

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520770093000663043

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520733252461465601

 

[RogerRanger]

that's like saying Poland started WW2 --or the US was aggressive toward Japan in WW2

Indeed, the Polish did start WW2, or rather the British guarantee of Poland did. And American was certainly the aggressor against Japan before WW2.

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1520719198338625536

 

[Manomed]

The Azerbaijani government announced that they closed its airspace to Russian military aircraft.

 

[You]

Indeed, the Polish did start WW2, or rather the British guarantee of Poland did. And American was certainly the aggressor against Japan before WW2.

gee--I happen to remember the Pearl Harbor attack...you obviously don't know history--the US was negotiating with Japan, and then Japan did a surprise attack

 

[Mehmed Ali]

Indeed, the Polish did start WW2, or rather the British guarantee of Poland did. And American was certainly the aggressor against Japan before WW2.

Russians hoped that it would take a lot of effort for Germany to fight France and Britain and then they could have had an easy passage to conquer Europe to pillage and rape and steal, usual perversions. Barbarosa was just preventing strike. Anyway, your every post gives a nice picture of Russian sick mind. Schizophrenic, fatalistic, nihilistic, paranoic and hateful. Who in right mind can wellcome such things?

 

[You]

Indeed, the Polish did start WW2, or rather the British guarantee of Poland did. And American was certainly the aggressor against Japan before WW2.

hahahahha
first you say Poland started it--then you say Britain.....make up your mind

 

[Test7]

Dear Members,
Please stay on the topic

 

[B.t.N]

Indeed, the Polish did start WW2, or rather the British guarantee of Poland did. And American was certainly the aggressor against Japan before WW2.

The guarantee pulled UK into war, not started the war!
Edit: Japanese attack on US ships evacuating citizens in Nanjing?

 

[Deliorman]

Even if every single TB2 was indeed shot down (which isn't the case) their performance will forever remain in the history books as an A+ performance. The amount of damage that they inflicted on Russia in two months is absolutely enormous. From attacks on enemy supply lines and fuel depots deep inside Crimea and Russia proper, to dozens of destroyed AD systems, to coordinating the first big attack on Chernobayevka where many Russian air assets were destroyed, to taking part in the sinking of Moskva and probably countless other hits on Russian forces that we haven't even heard about... Bayraktars so far helped for the destruction of billions worth or Russian tech and hundreds of killed soldiers.

How many Bayraktars Russia must shoot down to equalize it to one Moskva Cruiser and dozens of sailors lost?

 

[clonda]