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Again what your saying was the point i was making Oryx makes Ukrainians look like Rambos but the Rambos are getting butchered really bad when they get interviewed......I am sure you and most pro-ukraine users would be screaming Hell No!!! at me if I told you that Shoigu states 5,937 Russian soldiers have died in September 21, 2022 since the February 24,2022 operation and General Surovkin states losses of October we get 12,000 dead ukrainian soldiers and since he said 7-8 times less losses that is 1,500-1,714 and this about lines up almost consistently to what Shoigu said. Back at the beginning of February 150k-190k were involved at the start of the operation 80k of these were moved back to the border of Russia in which they do rotations for the operation and even Putin stated few weeks ago that there are currently 80k troops mixed with the reserves in the operation, in other words Russian sources have stayed consistent

Since I am very Pro-Ukrainian like alot of users here i will use Surovikin's 1,714 estimate than the 1,500 number estimate and add it on to 5,937 Russians we get 7,437 dead Russians, now we have to add the 80k part according to putin to the the 398k soldiers since we got the reserves and the ones that have left to just be close to Ukraine's border so we have 478k Russian soldiers in total. So 7,437 divded by 478,000 Ukraine is about 1.5% of they way done removing all the Russian invaders. But Shoigu says we have 20 million reservists ready and there is like 1,150,000 active duty troops so divide 7,437 by 21,150,000 Ukraine is about .00035% of the way there. EVERYONE HERE WILL CRY BULLSHIT which is also the reason why i gave sources instead of any soldier that gets interviewed and western journalists interviewing Ukrainians was just the perfect opportunity that I couldn't miss to find the truth.

No offense but I knew that many pro-Ukraine users would function like zombies here going muhh oryx, Ukraine sources > Russian sources, Slava Ukraina!!! which is specifically why I used western sources which pro-ukraine users here like and the moment any Ukrainian soldier gets interviewed it immediately destroys any Rambo claims from Oryx. But even you dont seem convinced about Ukrainian soldiers being interviewed (no Russians holding guns to their heads to make up BS) and their operation was in early September where they were making gains. Many pro-ukraine users on this thread can tell me to go fuck off but the ones that serious about this war should know this to.
I'm not going to convince anybody about something like this. Both sides publish their numbers... but there is no "consistency" when the "2nd largest military power" sent almost 200k troops into a country like Ukraine and they had to, "following their statemets", mobilize 300k civilians, recruit wagners in prisons, and even send people from other countries...

I think we want to know the reallity, despite supporting one side or the other... I don't want to do whisful thinking with such thing.
Everybody here knows loses from both sides are big, but we can't trust on any "official" source, only independent ones, and Oryx can give us an aproximate idea, as it relies on **visual confirmed** loses, not Shoygu mouth. I won't trust on any other source that doesn't provide proofs for fitting into my wishes.

There are thousands of videos of RU casualities over internet, but what's the point of posting them here without a proper context or to support a statement?

Who is asking about negotiations for months? Who had to retreat from 5 fronts since the start of the invasion? Who is launching hundreds of cruise missiles every week against civil infrastructure in the verge of the winter? Who is asking for equipment to countries like Iran or North Korea? Does Russia have air dominance over UKR skies? Who is sending mobiks to the new "gulag" at tank factories for example? Retrofiting T-62 tanks?

Gas prices are a bit high but nothing comparable to what RU propaganda is saying:


RU can make some significant offensive, for sure, but war is not affecting West at all, at least in my country, right now the inflation is lowering every month and the main problem is the beer raised from 2€ to 3€ and there is no enough waiters for bars, they had to raise the salaries to recruit them, and of course, raising beer prices again.


What's happening right now is West countries sending new equipment, supplies, ammo, money, medicines, winter cloths, almost every day coordinated by US for not reaching a point of mayor scalation... It is safe to say time is running against RU despite the efforts of their propaganda.

I don't know if something changed a lot, but I've seen docens of videos of RU trenches, full of waste, with no water drains, lack of tools or basic equipment, and that is consistent with troops not being motivated enough on attacking an inocent country, obvious, that is something in the winter would make a huge difference.
 

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Some recent military / infrastructure donations made to Ukraine in the last few days.

Swedish Foreign Minister Tobias Billstrom announced Sweden's largest package of military aid to Ukraine, to date. The package is worth 270 million Euros and consists of an unspecified number of ground based air defense systems, winter uniforms, ammunition, vehicles and winter equipment.


Slovakia, with the help of Germany, is sending 30 additional BMP-1's to Ukraine, per their defense Minister Jaro Nad.


France sent 1 additional LRU (M270 MLRS variant) to Ukraine, per Ukrainian officials. This increases the total number of French LRUs sent to Ukraine to 4.


Germany is in the process of providing Ukraine with 56 million euros worth of support to fix their power / electrical grid. They are also sending 350 power generators of an unspecified type. All per a release by the German Government.


Per Minister Kuleba of Ukraine, Spain is in the process of transferring and unspecified number of power generators and air defense systems to Ukraine. It's not clear whether or not the air defense systems are the same Hawk systems previously announced, or something new.


Lithuania recently sent 114 power transformers to Ukraine, in order to help support the power grid, per Defense Minister Arvydas Anusauskas. The intent is to send a total of 252 power transformers over the coming weeks / months.


The Czech Parliament has agreed to allow their military to train 5 batches of 800 Ukrainian soldiers throughout 2023, in increments of 4 week periods. These soldiers will do their basic training elsewhere, then go to the Czech Republic for advanced mechanized and specialist courses. This initiative is expected to cost $40 million USD.


The United States is urgently sending $53 million to Ukraine to support their energy infrastructure. Support will include transformers, automatic switches, protection against overvoltage and transport.


Per Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu, Estonia sent an unspecified number of power generators to Ukraine.

 
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Back at the beginning of February 150k-190k were involved at the start of the operation 80k of these were moved back to the border of Russia in which they do rotations for the operation and even Putin stated few weeks ago that there are currently 80k troops mixed with the reserves in the operation, in other words Russian sources have stayed consistent
Another sorry excuse, by April we all know that Russia struggles in Ukraine, getting stalled in the outskirts of Kharkiv and Kyiv. And yet according to you Russia has the luxury to "move back to the Russian borders". lel

Or maybe Russian commanders isn't that brilliant at all.
 

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"Soldiers of the Ukrainian Resistance Committee sent a message of support to the YPG/PKK, where the Turkish Armed Forces dealt a heavy blow with the Pençe-Kılıç Operation. In the photo published on the Telegram channel, it was seen that the banner held by two soldiers wearing Ukrainian uniforms read "Power to the peoples - death to the empires. Long live the Rojava resistance"."

I told you to be careful who you support!

Earlier, Zelensky had praised the Ethnic Etheria to the Greek parliament!

Operation is coming up soon in Syria.

I believe we will be drawing down our support for Ukraine.
 

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"Millions of Ukrainians migrated to different countries because of the war. The Polish government, which has opened its doors to 8 million Ukrainians since the beginning of the war, has decided to charge Ukrainian refugees who stay in the country's shelters for more than 4 months for food and shelter. The elderly, disabled and pregnant women will be exempted from the application, which is expected to come into effect on March 1, 2023."

The benevolent countries USA and England should pay the basic needs of the Ukrainian immigrants. Don't just do them the favor of supplying weapons. Since they forced the people of Ukraine into war with Russia, let the USA and England pay the price.
 

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Operation is coming up soon in Syria.

I believe we will be drawing down our support for Ukraine.
As per quantity, weaponry supllied by Turkey smaller than UA neighbouring countries.
 
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"Millions of Ukrainians migrated to different countries because of the war. The Polish government, which has opened its doors to 8 million Ukrainians since the beginning of the war, has decided to charge Ukrainian refugees who stay in the country's shelters for more than 4 months for food and shelter. The elderly, disabled and pregnant women will be exempted from the application, which is expected to come into effect on March 1, 2023."

The benevolent countries USA and England should pay the basic needs of the Ukrainian immigrants. Don't just do them the favor of supplying weapons. Since they forced the people of Ukraine into war with Russia, let the USA and England pay the price.
You should get this through your thick head it's Russia which started the war. Ukraine didn't attack to the Russia.
 

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This comment is complete bullshit. I have the right to interfere as the same was done to me.

What about people's lives, opinions. so you don't have an answer to give, you are trying to scribble shamelessly. it only reveals what you are. respond and complain as the interlocutor.

When they get stuck like this, they start to scribble.
Perhaps, but bisbis is dealing with matters way over his head. But hey, this is place where anyone can use the freedom of speech. Something that is not accessible in Russia and most certainly in a whatever place bisbis is currently residing.

Can bisbis answer this question? Considering bisbis explicitly expressed hatred toward rotten West, is it worth to defend someone, who denies hes patriotic duties and enjoys western commodities in most hated Western country? Especially USA, which happens to be obliged to defend Türkye as NATO member in case of potential Russian agression?
 

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Perhaps, but bisbis is dealing with matters way over his head. But hey, this is place where anyone can use the freedom of speech. Something that is not accessible in Russia and most certainly in a whatever place bisbis is currently residing.

Well someone said a good point weeks ago, and I think he was right.
Let's say If a sovereign country gets invaded by a neighbor, the duty of its president is to defend it whatever it takes or costs, and the people will agree with that even if you don't like your PM or President. Words like Zelensky is guilty of the invasion, puppet, clown, must surrender, etc. At least doesn't show any noble intentions about the topic.

So you can expect, from:
-A failed state or a country with imperialist wishes which Russia is giving support.
-US had influence on his country but not now, infact now is a direct enemy.
-The country needs Turkey to lean to their side and help to gain influence on the region.
-Maybe that country is on fire now and the result of this war could have a significant impact on them.

Anyway, coming back to the topic, it seems a dron dropped a bomb over a diesel tank in Bryansk:


And what Arestovych says here... sounds familiar to me...

Russian sources report on the shelling of Russian military targets in the Kursk region – probably another clash between the “Kursk People’s Republic” and “Belgorod People’s Republic”. Ukraine is lamenting this bloodshed and is offering its services as an intermediary in the negotiations between the “KPR” and “BPR”.

 

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Perhaps, but bisbis is dealing with matters way over his head. But hey, this is place where anyone can use the freedom of speech. Something that is not accessible in Russia and most certainly in a whatever place bisbis is currently residing.

Can bisbis answer this question? Considering bisbis explicitly expressed hatred toward rotten West, is it worth to defend someone, who denies hes patriotic duties and enjoys western commodities in most hated Western country? Especially USA, which happens to be obliged to defend Türkye as NATO member in case of potential Russian agression?
Don't worry, these things are not over my head.

What, just because the man lives in the USA, can't he say wrong to wrong?

We live in a time when Russia is protecting us against USA and its gang.

Russia announces the coup of the Americanist Feto organization, and sends ships to our ships against the Greek/French navy that comes upon us in the Mediterranean.

Although we are in NATO, it paves the way for us to become a member of bricks.

USA is trying to establish a terror state in our south, provoking the Greek against us, etc.
 
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Don't worry, these things are not over my head.

What, just because the man lives in the USA, can't he say wrong to wrong?

We live in a time when Russia is protecting us against USA and its gang.

Russia announces the coup of the Americanist Feto organization, and sends ships to our ships against the Greek/French navy that comes upon us in the Mediterranean.

Although we are in NATO, it paves the way for us to become a member of bricks.

USA is trying to establish a terror state in our south, provoking the Greek against us, etc.
Right, black is new white. Just telling you if someone has such friends, no enemies are needed.
 

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It's all well and good, but there is a problem: When this ship, for example, generates power in the port of Odessa, how will the safety of that ship be guaranteed?

That's up to erdogan, if he's taken seriously they wont touch them, if they see him as weak leader they will strike them.
 

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OK how about we do this with Ukraine and western propaganda instead because you feel that Russians are BSing that only 2% of their forces just in the operation have been killed. Guess what kind of news came this morning for me.

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What made this even worse is that she went to re-edit her video to scratch out the 100k ukrainians killed in action than twitter, 4chan and other social media sites made a big deal out of it. Now Oryx claims like 80k+ russian troops dying and Putins mobilization bill can go up to 1 million reservists over the existing 318k and he already signed a bill to add 150k active duty troops over the existing 1 million giving it a 1,150,000 for active duty, Zelensky states in May we have 700k troops.. Even if we ignore Russian sources and just use western/Ukrainian sources Ukraine is still statistically fucked to lose this war. Unless you want to argue that we shouldn't trust Ukrainian and western sources?
 
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@blackjack, I think you really don't know and understand the science and art of war. In this case there's no propaganda from neither side. In principle the invading force is always +20% in losses. Who has studied in Military Academy and taken part in any wars here can confirm. I have both and with being sure about 95% Ukraine has in between 80-100k KIA and Russia has at least 120k-130k KIA, I'm not considering WIA (in each site) or civilians which is about significant more.
I can only assume based on my experience but you can confirm if you want. Show up to be mobilized for your own country which is your duty as citizen and if you make it back alive and in one piece you can share more accurate information for us. I wish you luck if you decide to go on front lines :)
 

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