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The USA awarded Raytheon a $1.2 Billion package to build the six NASAMs that they previously announced for Ukraine. The Americans announced a total of 8 the air defense systems, and have already delivered 2 of them. According to the article I've attached, the USA will start delivering the systems in the coming months (likely gradually), as they're built. No exact timeline was specified in the article and it's likely to be kept quiet until they are in Ukraine, installed and ready to be used. The total cost includes training, transport, spare parts, technical support and an unspecified number of missiles for the purpose of intercepting Russian missiles.

 

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Was I personal? Please allow me to explain, not much personal and it is very much related to the conflict in Ukraine.

There is diaspora of Russian emigrants, who leave the motherland because of some reason and soon enough starts to dream about the Russian way of life. Humanly taking nothing wrong with that and I do get it: own culture, own relatives, right? Problem begins when they actively start to import this world into country of residence. I mean, all this nonsense about divine right of Russians to conquer and kill neighbours in order to save them. From what? Nobody knows the answer except Orthodox Curch, rest of them just believe it. You know, staff like Russia being the Third Rome and spreading the most righteous form of religion in the name of God, sacrifying their own blood for this noble cause (more deaths, more sacrifices, more points earned to enter the paradise or smth), thus being in position to commit any crime without fear making any sins. Raping woman as a twisted form of worshipping a God, to put it in short form.

We witness such kind of behavoiur in Estonia and this is rather confusing. In the end, St. Petersburg is 300 km in East, all those values are applied there in everyday life and why should anyone torture himself of being undervalued and not-appreciated in foreign country? Somehow they still stay here and feel personally hurted whan someone reminds them this simple fact. Interestingly enough, this fever tends to cool down closer one gets to the Russian border. The reason? People living close to the border do have more possibilities to witness this dreamland himself and perhaps the actual life there is much worse than imaginary one?

What is interesting is they (Russian emigrants) fail to see this kind of suicidal behaviour to be the most dangerous for themselves. First, they can loose the right of residence (https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/ne...-ukrainians-becomes-most-hated-tourist-in-eu/) and secondly, they will be killed among first if Russian World happens to arrive in their country somehow. Reason for this- russians as emigrants are still considered to be state owned slaves, who managed to escape somehow under the rightful ownership. So from my point of view I try actually to help blackjack, believe me or not. If he likes to stay in US, he must learn to respect local laws or he might loose this privilege just like that.

The same mindset is probably the reason why Ukrainian civilians were, are and will be hurted so much. They must be reminded who is the boss nation here and there is no escape from Russian ownership even if Ukrainians do not think so. Similarily are Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Finns to be seen as "kholops" (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kholop) at loose and how much I try to fake it- I take it as personal.

bisbis approach was bit more personal though from my side, I admit that. Provoking people helps sometimes to open their motives better and done with that. After collapse of USSR Russia has attacked so many of friendly countries from Commonwealth of Independent States (Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus etc) and left others without defense (Armenia). Absolutely suicidal behavour from Russia, I cannot imagine what their boss is thinking. Even if NATO is as bad as bisbis says, allying with Russia is much more suicidal. I respect bisbis opinion and his right to say it out, but again- dangerous for himself and Türkyie according to my personal subjective opinion.

NATO article 5 has interesting nuance- it does not oblige any country to help any country in case of problems. So some credibility is needed in order to count on that and despite how much I like to see patriots of Türkyie witnessing he expansion of their domains, it comes with a price. I see Erdogan pushing right buttons in order to unify the nation, I understand the disappointment from unsuccesful EU accession process, I personally tend to see US as a bit arrogant supernation forcing shortsightedly christian values upon islamic countries and so forth. It is not perfect world, I know. Is the new one better?
 
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This graph is showing how much putin soldiers died each month at War in Ukraine.
November is highest .
russia lost so many military junk vehicles which gave some protection. But at present there is only one tactic which putin generals apply.
it is WWII tactic commanders order putin soldiers to attack by foot and they send between 7-9 waves of platoons.
What we see is that all of them die as cannon fodders

 

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russian TV media started to talk that russian citizens have to start prepare them self for
Putin's Martial Law it can start early next year, could be as early as January.

Everyone digitally color-coded:
Red: Confined to home
Yellow: Confined to region
Green: Confined to country
Red turns to Yellow during work hours.

War is peace. Freedom is Slavery :rolleyes:

 

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Russia launched Kh-55 missiles over Ukraine for the first time
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The General Staff of the Armed Forces explained the reasons for Russia's use of these missiles

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Russia launched Kh-55 missiles over Ukraine for the first time

December 1, 2022 by Text: Lyudmila Trotsenko

According to the Armed Forces, there may be several reasons why Russia started using these Soviet missiles.



The Russian invaders, during the massive shelling on October 31, used Kh-55 cruise missiles for the first time, which had not been released in Ukraine until now. Their fragments were discovered in two regions of Ukraine - in Lviv and Khmelnytskyi regions.
This was announced by the representative of the Central Military-Scientific Department of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel Mykola Danyliuk, during a briefing at the Military Media Center.
 

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Who knows Arabic? This video was found on the phone of a murdered Russian. The book at the end of the video was used by Russians instead of toilet paper. What is this book ?
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Who knows Arabic? This video was found on the phone of a murdered Russian. The book at the end of the video was used by Russians instead of toilet paper. What is this book ?
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It is the holy Quran. The way they are talking with the arrogance in their voice I am not convinced that they don't know what is this book. "This is how we live" he says... I am not shocked.
 

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Who knows Arabic? This video was found on the phone of a murdered Russian. The book at the end of the video was used by Russians instead of toilet paper. What is this book ?
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Its the Quran.

Russians desecrated a holy book but its not the first time.

In Libya and Syria they operated with impunity. Where they desecrated mosques and scared books.

Then again its hard to convince most Muslims about Russia because of "muh Evil West".

The Russians also bombed a lot of Eastern Orthodox Churches in Ukraine.

Im not surprised in them engaging in such actions. If they bomb Eastern Orthodox Christians what makes people think they will respect Muslims.

We seen how the Russians treat Crimean Tatars.
 

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Usa is considering wagner group a terrorist group.

Okay I support putting these bastards on the list.

But why has it taken this long?

When these guys operated in Ukraine before the Russians invaded also took part in the massacre of Ukrainian troops while their crimes in Libya, Syria and in other African countries are becoming more prominent.
 

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Latest news regarding military aid to Ukraine.

Per U.S. Deputy Secretary of State, Joe Biden has asked Congress to approve a $37 Billion aid package for Ukraine, prior to the Christmas Congressional dead period. The package is designed is to provide U.S. military aid to Ukraine throughout all of 2023. The number is roughly double what the U.S. gave to Ukraine in military aid throughout 2022.


Germany announced the following aid package for Ukraine.
- 7 Gepard anti-aircraft systems
- 3 Biber Bridge laying vehicles
- 8 surface sea drones
- 12 border security vehicles
- 30 ambulances
- Spare parts for Mig-24 aircraft
- 100,000 first aid kits
- 4000 winter sleeping bags


The Netherlands, Estonia and Norway announced a combined aid package for Ukraine.
- A military field hospital
- 8 military ambulances transport wounded soldiers


Canada announced the following aid package for Ukraine.
- $5 Million in satellite services
- Undisclosed winter gear
- Undisclosed number of portable heaters
- Undisclosed number of winter sleeping bags
- Undisclosed number of thermal winter blankets

 

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