Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601636886212407296

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601074146116800514

what left

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601231481552404481

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601633972831678464

 

[Xenon54]

It is interesting that such discussions took place in the Iraq wars, after the September 11 attacks.

Years passed, it became clear that there were no chemical weapons in Iraq, that Iraq was withdrawn from Kuwait in a short time, that the September 11 attacks were carried out by the USA, that al-Qaeda was founded by the USA, like ISIS.

Years later, the realities of the ukraine war will be revealed and people will curse those western countries.

Now guess what, for Russians years later it comes out there were no nazis in Ukraine and their whole invasion was illegal under fabricated pretexts just like the invasion of Iraq.

Pretty rionic how you want to defend Russian attrocities by showing the perfect exsample with Iraq...

 

[bisbis]

Now guess what, for Russians years later it comes out there were no nazis in Ukraine and their whole invasion was illegal under fabricated pretexts just like the invasion of Iraq.

Pretty rionic how you want to defend Russian attrocities by showing the perfect exsample with Iraq...

No problem. Those who were harmed in this war are not Muslims or Türks.

Also, let's see if Russia will remain until then.

Look, I'm not interested in what Russia is attacking for. I don't care what the Ukrainian government does to provoke the Russians.

I care about the interests of my country, nation and my people. The west, which is active in bad faith around my country right now, and I am against the west.

Here, it doesn't matter to me if Ukraine is the victim. What is important to me is the failure of the western-friendly ukrainian administration and the blocking of the west.

I don't like Russians either. As I said before, due to the balance policy in the current conditions, it is enough for the Russians to stay weak until we get stronger.

But now you say with your western values that those who died in this war are human. But those western or Russian values do not pity anyone for profit!

 

[busdriver]

Yes, may be you are right. The image may be. But there is a lot of western benefit sharing in this topic and this must be balanced. My request is that Russia weaken, but not disintegrate now. the west weakens rapidly.

Well, I don't see the West weakening rapidly. On the contrary, the western countries are more united and their resolve in supporting Ukraine against Russia stronger than ever. On the other hand, Russia got a bloody nose because it tried to play a tough guy. But now everyone sees that their so far feared mighty army is basically a crap and that changes a lot. Evryone around Russia found out that Russia is weaker that they thought so far. So we can expect a lot more countries in Asia opposing russian influence, which they accepted because they were afraid of Russian army.

 

[bisbis]

Busdriver said; "Well, I don't see the West weakening rapidly. On the contrary, the western countries are more united and their resolve in supporting Ukraine against Russia stronger than ever."

The psychology of classical western thought. They do not accept any negativity. They are white, the rest is black.

Maybe it was like you said in the first 4 months at the beginning of the war. But gradually, thoughts changed as people faced life and economic difficulties. Especially Europeans, as they experience the effects of the USA's games on them, their objections increase.

The latest credit suisse bank is reportedly heading towards crisis. The USA has decided to subsidize domestic companies, Europe says this is a declaration of economic war and objects. If this decision does not change, the economic order in the North Atlantic Group will be disturbed in a short time.

In Europe, there is an electricity problem in industry and residences, there is a production problem, inflation is increasing. Energy prices and, accordingly, production costs are constantly increasing.

Interest rates are rising. People have heating problems. The strikes begin. Is this the strengthening west and its unity you are talking about?

If this war lasts for 1 more year, first Europe and then the USA will go back economically and socially.

In the long run, if the westerners can't seize the fixed assets of the Russians in the financial system, they will no longer support Ukraine.

 

[Kathirz]

Busdriver said; "Well, I don't see the West weakening rapidly. On the contrary, the western countries are more united and their resolve in supporting Ukraine against Russia stronger than ever."

The psychology of classical western thought. They do not accept any negativity. They are white, the rest is black.

Maybe it was like you said in the first 4 months at the beginning of the war. But gradually, thoughts changed as people faced life and economic difficulties. Especially Europeans, as they experience the effects of the USA's games on them, their objections increase.

The latest credit suisse bank is reportedly heading towards crisis. The USA has decided to subsidize domestic companies, Europe says this is a declaration of economic war and objects. If this decision does not change, the economic order in the North Atlantic Group will be disturbed in a short time.

In Europe, there is an electricity problem in industry and residences, there is a production problem, inflation is increasing. Energy prices and, accordingly, production costs are constantly increasing.

Interest rates are rising. People have heating problems. The strikes begin. Is this the strengthening west and its unity you are talking about?

If this war lasts for 1 more year, first Europe and then the USA will go back economically and socially.

In the long run, if the westerners can't seize the fixed assets of the Russians in the financial system, they will no longer support Ukraine.

Can you please put the sources for your claims ? I have different reports about energy, inflation, quality of life, etc.

 

[Kathirz]

Yesterday "something" hit hard a Hotel/Base in Melitopol:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601705326180696064

It is early reported that it wasn't US "HIMARS" missiles but Turk TRLG-230. Any other source?

EDIT: It seems US GMRLS from HIMARS was the correct missile:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601889133441732609

 

[Ryder]

Yesterday "something" hit hard a Hotel/Base in Melitopol:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601705326180696064

It is early reported that it wasn't US "HIMARS" missiles but Turk TRLG-230. Any other source?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601754606811246592

Russian sources are indicating heavy casualties.

They believe the base got wiped out.

I see some of the footage fcking hell this some heavy shit.

 

[Mailman]

A two minute video about Melitopol barracs

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601709942955991041

A fire in military barracs inCrimean village

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601838788963090434

 

[Kathirz]

Credit Suisse - The bank in crisis - ETCFO

EDITOR'S NOTE: The world's financial system came to a halt and policymakers came with many restrictions and stringent rules, including Basel-III norms…. The reason for going back in time is Credit Suisse.

cfo.economictimes.indiatimes.com

Focus: Energy crisis chips away at Europe's industrial might

Europe needs its industrial companies to save energy amid soaring costs and shrinking supplies, and they are delivering - demand for natural gas and electricity both fell in the past quarter.

www.reuters.com

Thanks for providing the sources. With your permission, let's put some clarity on those claims, as for your words it seems "west" is facing it's collapse anytime soon....

First, Credit Suisse crisis started in 2008 and it was falling with no end until today, just take a look to their historical stock price. In this article we can find an explanation for it:

Credit Suisse has made several risky bets and ended up losing a lot of investor money. That, in turn, has hurt its profitability, eroded investor confidence, and has made raising fresh capital costlier.

In the other hand we have EU banking health in good conditions and their only worry is about the result of the war (if Russia wins). As for banking, a Ukraine with expectations of joining EU, and its reconstruction will result in massive investments, a big opportunity.
So, IMO, we can't link the Ukraine war with CS crisis or EU banking health.

You said:
In Europe, there is an electricity problem in industry and residences, there is a production problem, inflation is increasing.

There is a problem with that, but mainly in Germany, it turns out that they had enough warnings since 2014, but they stuburnly kept their plans, as Credit Suisse bad bets, Germany did a bad bet. Although they stopped their plans for disconnecting their NPPs from the grid and the new finished LNG terminal is set to start operations in January. We have crossed several red lines, and the German plans from months is to increase the help to Ukraine despite Orban will.
So EU approved 18 Billion euros for 2023 to financially support Ukraine.

Right now, what's on the german administration desks is the posibility of sending Leopard tanks, after delivering soon 18 howitzers more.

Let's put an eye on inflation and energy prices:

Regarding US inflation, they are almost at prewar levels:

If we speak for example about my country, with a socialist-comunist goverment... we have even better numbers now:

It's clear that inflation is falling on US and EU countries. Even Germany, the most exposed country, already reached the peak of the inflation.
So that claim It's far from true, that's why I've asked for sources.

If we take a look to Gas and Oil prices, we can expect even lower inflation rates, as we might now they are one of the most crucial factors for inflation, Gas:

Oil:

With Ural oil falling under 60$ price cap from West.

We can see also the tendency of end-consumer diesel prices in EU countries. All data I'm seeing suggests the "hard part" of the war for EU-US citizens was in late summer, almost everything now is reaching pre-war levels, so IMO, expectations in west support democracies are to continuing with the war.

 

[bisbis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601848511519199232

I think someone is constantly trying to distort our country and Russia by highlighting Türks weapons.
In this incident, the trlg 230 rocket is stubbornly stated on social media. But I do not believe that this weapon was given to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601875180535545857

İt can be type of Tu 141/ Tu 143 uav!

 

[bisbis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600705633325846529

Not important for western.

 

[Kathirz]

I did not say that the west will be destroyed immediately. I said regressing!

As it turns out, different western sources give different results. Of course, it is an undeniable fact that the EU-based comments are especially positive for the future of the EU economy.

For example, in the data you shared, the figures are given according to the cost caused by the energy sources that are already stored and connected, while the situation after winter is uncertain!

It should not be forgotten that Eu is an economic competitor as well as a commercial partner for Turkey.

As Eu's competitiveness decreases, my country's economic prosperity will increase.

I'm sorry, but oil and gas prices are public! If you are suggesting there are different prices from sources, then tomorrow probably main sotck markets will crash! So please provide the source for your statements. What it can happen, is prices may be a bit different from graphs from average data.

The sources I've provided, as far I understand, are from raw-material real market prices at that time, again, please provide your sources to sustain your claims.

Absolutely, West work in constant competition, that's why we get better. We compete with US, between different EU countries, regions, cities, and even Turkey!
Turkey may get big contracts for their military industries giving the results of their weapon's performance in Ukraine like Bayraktar drones, and that is also as a result of the competition between the rest of the West countries... if not you know what you have to do => buy weapons to other countries and create jobs outside your beloved country.

Yes, productivity could fall, but who makes the products for the economy of the future is Germany ( machinery for assembly lines ) and Netherlands ( machinery for silicon chips ), so EU has a big margin.

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601844606936748034

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601720752017113089

 

[Ecderha]

Ukraine tank shoot at russian tank and lighting it up.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601953194233454593

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601947541658296324

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601979899815804933

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601981090528387073