Laos sending in perfect conditions T-34 tanks as russia requested.
Surely russia are going to need all the tanks they can get their hands on.
Surely russia are going to need all the tanks they can get their hands on.
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Not much else would happen throughout 1997, except for an event that had serious consequences for the BRIMZ XI, in Badajoz. Between November 5 and 7, the copious rains caused the flooding of two tributaries of the Guadiana River, and the flooding of a part of the city -causing casualties-, including the quartering of the RIMZ Castilla 16, and the entire battalion of tanks , and being practically buried under water all the Leopard 2A4. It was a huge disaster. Civilian losses were heavy and the tank battalion was practically wiped out of the ET deployment.
The irony. If Germany hadn't embargoed the delivery of Altays engines since 2018 Turkey could have donated(if willing) the vast majority of its Leopard 2A4 inventory to Ukraine.
Now I'm excited to see when we will see the first Articles in western news sites how Turkey should donate its Leo tanks and when we say no how we become a bad ally and partner.
It is also telling how germany wont ask Turkey because they know what our people will tell them "You shouldn't have sabotaged our Altay project".
Also interesting how the US suddenly made an U-turn with the Abrams but still they could easily pledge over a hundred Abrams for Ukraine and have the crews trained.
If i was the Minister of defense , i would rely of IFVs and tank destroyers , they're agile , pack a hell of a punch (30 mm , 105 mm ...) and easily maintained and fixed , as we saw in the Russo-Ukraine war , tanks are nigh-obsolete , regarding their slowness and too costly to maintain in a conflict, a simple Javelin or Skif ATGM can decapitate its turret or destroy its tracks.I would be very surprised if we send 53 tanks in a first batch... even if we send a company of them.
They are counting 53 in total from storage, some of those tanks were flooded in mud and water from Ebro river many years ago. It was such a flood that it breaked a wall from the storage facility, some of them were completely drowned in mud.
So right now, the last assesment made in summer, realized that we have:
-20 Leo2A4 in "good conditions" only a minor/medium maintenance might be needed and probably upgrades.
-20 Leo2A4 in recoverable state, they will need mayor maintenance and replace important parts.
-13 Leo2A4 in very bad state, some of them without some parts taken to repair the others in Ceuta and Melilla.
We have to wait to MoD what they want to do, for now today the minister said "blablabla we are discussing the needs and what we can do" No numbers or versions.
If we are smart we can ask to Germany to allow us to build Leo2A6 or 2A7 under license again in Spain, about 100 in total, for replacing the 50 Leo2A4 in Ceuta and Melilla and the companies of 2A6 that should be sent to URK. It would be good for Europe as we can restart the production of Leos in two factories. But I might be so optimistic.... Let's wait for official info.
If i was the Minister of defense , i would rely of IFVs and tank destroyers , they're agile , pack a hell of a punch (30 mm , 105 mm ...) and easily maintained and fixed , as we saw in the Russo-Ukraine war , tanks are nigh-obsolete , regarding their slowness and too costly to maintain in a conflict, a simple Javelin or Skif ATGM can decapitate its turret or destroy its tracks.
I've heard that Spain is making its own version of the LAV III , under the variant Dragón 8×8 , how's that going ?
I don't think that there's an emergency in Spain that requires building factories for the Leopards, but maybe u know something i don't , the point is , if Spain have some reserve IFVs like the Pizarro, you could send them as u Said without decreasing the numbers of tanks to remain in an acceptable situationnal awareness level ,I agree with this we can send ASCOD/Pizarros and Centauros in good quantities, without hurting so much our capabilities, and they are also in phases of being replaced.
But being one of the EU countries with most Leopards, (I think we might discard Greece), only Germans and us have Leopards in good quantities, so probably the agreement would be Spain to send Leopards and others IFV's, etc. And at industrial level could be good for us if Germans allows us to build them here and even export them, given the circunstances.
Regarding the Dragón, latest new I've heard, its production started past month and would be finished in 2027 with around 350 units.
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El VCR 8x8 Dragón para el Ejército de Tierra
El programa Vehículo Blindado de Ruedas (VCR) 8x8 Dragón del Ejército de Tierra se encuentra por fin en las fases de fabricación de los vehículos de líneawww-defensa-com.translate.goog
What types of tanks Canada have in its inventory ?So we can propably add Canada as a tank doner
We have 20 Leopard 2A6Ms and approximately 44-45 Leopard 2A4's.What types of tanks Canada have in its inventory ?
I don't think that there's an emergency in Spain that requires building factories for the Leopards, but maybe u know something i don't , the point is , if Spain have some reserve IFVs like the Pizarro, you could send them as u Said without decreasing the numbers of tanks to remain in an acceptable situationnal awareness level ,
The Dragon , i heard that it will contain some israeli RWS like the Samson , a great system Imo
True true , but if u're gonna send 200-300 tanks to Ukraine, it would be difficult to replace the old stocks of 2A4s with 2A6 , the factories would be overloaded with acquisitions from , literally, almost all of NATO . A question, why haven't Spain bought the M1 Abrams to replace the Leopards ?, i find it highly upgradable with israeli tech like the Iron Fist APS and other western systems and trustworthy for its ArmorCorrect, we are not in a hurry, but Europe might be in the future, as we don't know when this war would end, and restarting the factories is not easy, as I think they/we didn't build a Leopard for 10 years.
We are not going to do almost anything with a couple of tank companies, at the end we might need to send 200-300 tanks and those will need to be replaced.
So we can replace our functional LeoA24, and get some more Leo2A6 (our army loves them) and have capacity to help to any need EU countries could have in a near future, including Ukraine. That's my thought but I can be very wrong...
True true , but if u're gonna send 200-300 tanks to Ukraine, it would be difficult to replace the old stocks of 2A4s with 2A6 , the factories would be overloaded with acquisitions from , literally, almost all of NATO . A question, why haven't Spain bought the M1 Abrams to replace the Leopards ?, i find it highly upgradable with israeli tech like the Iron Fist APS and other western systems and trustworthy for its Armor
Canada doesn't have a threat that requires any type of heavy armour like tanks , the best thing to do is to give a significant number of Leopards to Ukraine (Saving the maintenance and refubrishement money) , replace them with LAV 6.0 or Stryker Dragoons , and voilà, an agile and heavily armed armoured force , basically for Law enforcement and counter-terrorism missionsWe have 20 Leopard 2A6Ms and approximately 44-45 Leopard 2A4's.
Canada has had a substantial maintenance issue with its tanks, however, and doesn't have a lot of them in fantastic shape. I'd be genuinely surprised if we were willing to send any more than 6-8 tanks (similar to Norway) and they would almost definitely be 2A4s. At the very most I would think that 10 would be the maximum that we could afford to send in any type of shorter order.
Oh , so what u're saying is that the army's backbone is the Leopard tank , then i don't think that Spain will give much of itBecause we were used to deal with Leopards 2A4 and Germans allowed us to make the tanks here, including the engine in our shipyards under Rolls Royce license. Only a few parts were need to be sent from Germany to complete the tanks, so it was a very good industrial plan for our country.
Article from 1995:
Aspectos industriales del programa Leopardo para el Ejército de Tierra español
El hecho de que el Gobierno español aprobase la fabricación de un nuevo carro para dotar a las unidades acorazadas de su Ejército, fue objeto de un gran...www-defensa-com.translate.goog
We're already upgrading a bunch of our LAV III's to LAV 6.0's. We'll also purchase new LAV 6.0s to supplement the force. The needs for MBTs has definitely not a normal thing for Canada, however, we've been caught unprepared before. When we went to Afghanistan, our Leo 1 tanks were in shambles, but we brought them anyways. We quickly resorted to buying 2A4s off the German and 2A6s of the Dutch, to finish our commitment to that campaign. Canada has to decide if it wants to be in the business of fielding tanks at all. If they want to, they ought to use some of the new military spending that is coming down the pipe to buy about 120 Leopard 2A7s. Otherwise, I agree, ship them to Urkaine.Canada doesn't have a threat that requires any type of heavy armour like tanks , the best thing to do is to give a significant number of Leopards to Ukraine (Saving the maintenance and refubrishement money) , replace them with LAV 6.0 or Stryker Dragoons , and voilà, an agile and heavily armed armoured force , basically for Law enforcement and counter-terrorism missions