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For one this is just another version or improvisation of the earlier "The real Russian army is in Kyiv waiting for NATO" argument.

edit : "The real Russian army is in Russia waiting for NATO" argument.
 

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Well, where are all those (Turkish) members, who were laughing their asses off when i claimed that Russia was winning in the very very beginning of this war?

Where are you guys?

Please scroll back in this thread and see the stupid chearing comments of Turkish members claiming Russia would be destroyed by this war.

You guys know nothing about Russia, and also you dont know s.hit about Turkey. Just blablabla.
Russia made big gains in first week of the war, when Ukraine was not mobilized:

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Since then for nearly 1 year they either retreat or advance WW1 style 1 km a month destroying everything with artillery and sending human waves.
 

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Moldova goverment resigned today. What's going on there?

61/71 cruise missiles intercepted:

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In addition, 5 Shahed-136/131 kamikaze drones were destroyed.





Kharkiv under fire. What is known about enemy attacks at the moment

"On the territory of Kharkiv and Oblast, a massive missile attack on critical infrastructure began as early as 4 in the morning.

That is why 10 explosions rang out in the city. We counted 12 arrivals - these are in Kharkiv, Kharkiv region and Chuguyiv district. Electricity and heat generating infrastructure.

About 150,000 homes are disconnected from the electricity supply. There are interruptions with the suburban electricity connection.

During the attack at 10 a.m. on one of the facilities, 8 civilians were injured, two of them were hospitalized in a serious condition," Nataliya Popova, adviser to the head of the Kharkiv Regional Council, said.
 

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Zelensky reacted to today's strikes on Ukraine: these missiles are a call to NATO
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14:54, 10.02.23





The President stressed that this attack is yet another proof that terror knows no borders and has never known any.

President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky commented on today's attack by Russian invaders: these missiles are a call to NATO and collective security. Zelensky announced this in a video message.

"The enemy launched at least 70 missiles this morning in another massive attack. At least 60 missiles were shot down. All of their targets were civilians, civilian infrastructure. Unfortunately, there were hits, there are casualties. My condolences to the families," he said.

The President recalled that several Russian missiles passed through the airspace of Moldova and Romania.


Missile attack on Ukraine: what is known


According to the latest data, on February 10, Russia Launched more than fifty cruise missiles at Ukraine, but Ukrainian air defense worked successfully. In particular, 10 missiles were shot down over Kyiv, and 13 over the Odessa region.

During the attack, Russian missiles hit thermal and hydroelectric facilities and transformers in six regions. Emergency blackouts have begun in Ukraine.
 
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The entire Russian argument about Bakhmut is :

If Wagner alone (we know this is an exageration) could take Bakhmut,then off course we can take Ukraine as a whole with other units involved

For one this is just another version or improvisation of the earlier "The real Russian army is in Russia waiting for NATO" argument.

Even if its true,this shows just how ridiculous Russian war planning is. War is serious business, this is not 2 guys fighting in a bar showing manliness and chivalry by being fair. In a war, cheating is not only allowed but recommended.

If we use"the real Russian army is in Russia" argument ,then the blame should be given to the morons which is the Russian generals and staffs who is purposefully nullifying Russian advantage vis a vis Ukraine by allowing Kyiv the luxury to face 3rd rate Russian army instead of "the real Russian army"

If we use "we only use wagner and hold 300K troops inside Russia" argument, the blame will still be burdened to the Russian war planners who deliberately put 300K soldiers away from the frontline instead of helping their troops . Thereby prolonging the capture of Bakhmut into a year long fight.

Using the two stupid argument above and assuming Russians believe their own shit. We can assume in a NATO v Russian federation war. Russia will INTENTIONALLY keep the bulk of Russian military power in Siberia instead of the Baltic and Belarus to fight against NATO and purposefully send a brigade of wagner to face off field army sized NATO unit.

That means Russia is either being chivalristic or overly stupid in its war plan.
Well its more simple than you think Poland is getting a shitload of equipment and even a few days ago went to order more HIMARs and Polands prime minister made some war rhetoric speeches this past week about saving Europe, also those troops outside the borders could be used later because the less ukrainians there are(AFU dragging civilians) the less casualties there will be for russian troops to plan there charges because Wagner is expandable thus doing the dirty work pushing the huge column of AFU units back. 300k Russian troops were used in the 1st 2 months and 80K was left afterwards in the operation to create a room of negotiations with the west which we know didnt work out later and might take longer than expected which was the reason 300k+ was mobilized because Ukraine kept getting armed and Poland keeps getting a shitload of equipment so it would make some sense to call for a mobilization. Don't feel embarrassed I have seen some knuckle draggers (not you) make more worse arguments by saying Russian aircrafts are barely involved in SEAD and I make a simple response saying drones, cruise missiles and artillery helps meet the same objectives striking strategic locations and units.
 

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People are talking about Kramatorsk falling, but let's talk about some really important points that are not being discussed...

1). Bakhmut is split in half by a small river and Ukraine is gradually ex-filling their troops back across it. They'll surrender the south east side of the city soon. That said, they're likely going to keep about 15,000 soldiers on the opposite side of the river in the core of the city and Russia is going to lose thousands of more soldiers trying to cross the river in the face of artillery barrages and drone strikes. It is true that Ukraine is conserving ammunition right now, but it's because they intend for Bakhmut to continue to stand for the west side of Bakhmut to stand for several more weeks. The longer they hold on, the more equipment from the West arrives and the more reinforcements finish training in Germany, Britain, Poland, Lithuania and the United States. Make no mistakes, Bakhmut will fall (as a fully destroyed husk, like Mariupol) and Ukraine knows that. But they're slaughtering Russians by the thousands there every week and that's the key.

2). While Bakhmut stands, the defenses around the line at Chasiv Yar are have the opportunity to be further developed and reinforced, setting up yet another nightmare for the Russians on their advance towards Kramatorsk and Sloviansk. Russian armor, artillery and infantry will continue to be shredded on the advance and they'll continue to backfill is with lesser trained, recently mobilized soldiers and older equipment that that they've brought out of storage. Their best stuff is being chewed up during this offensive and Ukraine knows that. The longer they hold through defense in depth, the worst the Russian army will get, at the same time as the Ukrainian Army gets better trained and is provided superior western equipment. Time is on Ukraine's side, not Russia's.

3). Ukraine has roughly 30,000 reserve forces between Kramatorsk and Chasiv Yar, who they've refused to deploy to held the Bakhmut contingent, because they're being saved for the next line of defense, as exhausted Russian attackers will meet fully rested, well equipped Ukrainians that have extra time to train and prepares their defensive positions. This has been an excellent decision by the Ukrainian command, although their units in Bakhmut have paid a huge toll in terms of loss of life. By keeping disciplined, with thousands of soldiers and their equipment in reserve, it allows them to continue to use their defense in depth strategy that has forced Russia into an absolute meat grinder and is exhausted their armor, quality artillery and best troops, at rate much faster than Russia can replenish.

4). By time Russia were to reach Kramatorsk, there will be another 40,000-60,000 Ukrainians waiting for them there. Between elements returning from training across Europe and territorial defense units that are training and being held in reserve for such time, Russia is going to be a formidable defensive line near Kramatorsk and Sloviansk, drawing supply help from Kharkiv. This is is where you'll really start to see Western armor and artillery play a big role, later this spring / early summer. Kramatorsk will be a fortress to attack and I suspect that the exhausted, deeply depleted Russian army is going to have an absolutely miserable time trying to take it. I wouldn't be shocked if their advanced is stoned there and never makes any further progress.

There is a great deal of strategy here and the continued defense of the west side of Bakhmut for the next couple weeks is only part of that strategy. There are numerous layers and every week that ticks by sees more / better western equipment arrive in Ukraine and more / better trained soldiers arrive back from Europe.
 

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Russia made big gains in first week of the war, when Ukraine was not mobilized:

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Since then for nearly 1 year they either retreat or advance WW1 style 1 km a month destroying everything with artillery and sending human waves.

Please use Correct words!
you may ask Why?
In order to make russian propagandists or paid trolls to able to understand you.

Hits, Examples:
you wrote "retreat"-> you should write "good will"
you wrote "sending human waves" -> you should write special units Wagner
you wrote "advance WW1 style" -> you should write "Special Operation" style

And the last thing -> keep in mind that putin said "it is all according to PLAN"
 

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